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Re: [philosophy-178] Political Correctness

From: Kat
Sent on: Friday, July 6, 2007 6:53 PM
I don't think political correctness necessarily means forcing others  
to 'think/talk' like them. For me it means being considerate of  
others so forgetting the legal aspects of making laws against using  
certain terms - it's more a matter of respect - not using certain  
words that others would find offensive. And trying to be inclusive of  
others. This doesn't need to be forced but I think it's a good thing  
to keep in mind.
This is why I was asking for a definition of political correctness -  
do you only mean things that are forced/made into law or would you  
term adjusting one's own language voluntarily so as not to cause  
offense to others political correctness as well?
I think we can keep freedom of speech and yet be considerate/ 
inclusive of others.
You can say what you like to someone but they may be offended -  
that's your choice.

Just out of curiousity, how do people feel about the incitement to  
hatred laws - for example, do you think it's right to outlaw people  
from making speeches that encourage violence or hatred towards  
another ethnic group?

Kat






On 6 Jul 2007, at 13:43, George wrote:

> Kat - obviously you are expressing your personal view on what you  
> think and feel is right (equality).
>
> I suggest, the issue with political correctness is not one of  
> equality, but whether one group of people who hold a certain view  
> can enforce another group to "think/talk" like them.
>
> Political correctness seems to say that there is only one correct  
> way of talking/thinking (that which produces equality).  This by  
> definition is against freedom of speech/thought.
>
> However, even this does not make political correctness 'wrong', it  
> just means you personally value equality over freedom of speech.
>
> George
>
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> Subject: Re: [philosophy-178] Political Correctness
> Date: Fri,  6 Jul[masked]:04:47 -0400 (EDT)
>
> I get really frustrated about the current trend to be anti- 
> political  correctness. True, it can be taken too far, but its  
> general  principles I agree with. Things like changing the language  
> to be all- inclusive - it's very hard, as a woman, to feel included  
> in a  discussion when the general human is said to be a 'he' - so  
> I'm all  for political correctness in that aspect. In terms of  
> trying to get  more minorities, etc into jobs, I think it's more  
> important to get  qualified people than a specific demographic;  
> however, white men have  been monopolizing most of civilization for  
> so long, I can see the  wish to address the balance (reverse  
> discrimination). I think the  best thing is to aim for equality of  
> opportunity (starting at school  level) so these patterns don't  
> persist.
> Perhaps political correctness needs to be defined before we can  
> have  a proper debate about it.
>
> Kat
>
>
>
>
> On 6 Jul 2007, at 06:26, Maliu wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In discussing the Politicals of Language, there is
>> also Political Correctness.
>>
>> I found the following cute script on the subject.
>>
>> Is Political Correctness against Freedom of Expression.
>>
>> The answer is a yes, and it will be so for all times.
>> Political correctness came about to be a lot more political than
>> correct and that is why the term was born. In spite of the good
>> wishes of its naive parents it stopped being good quite early on.
>> In fact I do remember a while ago Uncle Compassion and Auntie
>> Responsibility had tried to talk the young kid into the real  
>> Political
>> Correctness, but the child has his bright eyes gazing into the   
>> horizon,
>> one reality at a time. Now not wanting to get too far from your real
>> question, Free Speech. This kid has had the epic wars with Censors
>> that did hide inside an outside of anything that was moving, but the
>> Political Correctness story is sure new. It really does not move, its
>> lame and I can't believe any one wanting to take issue with any thing
>> inhabiting it. I do think political correctness is really not   
>> correct, it is
>> just political and if it is just political it must be against  
>> Free  Speech.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maliu
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