Re: [philosophy-178] Political Correctness

From: AgathaVanessa
Sent on: Saturday, July 7, 2007 3:03 PM

No - I don't agree.

 

Political Correctness is a way in which certain groups of people force other groups of people out of certain kinds of often necessary debate, because they often vicariously deem that debate to be offensive towards other groups of people.  It is often, therefore, demeaning, insulting and infantilising.

 

Beware the thought-police...


 

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----- Original Message ----
From: Kat <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Friday, 6 July,[masked]:53:07 PM
Subject: Re: [philosophy-178] Political Correctness

I don't think political correctness necessarily means forcing others  
to 'think/talk' like them. For me it means being considerate of  
others so forgetting the legal aspects of making laws against using  
certain terms - it's more a matter of respect - not using certain  
words that others would find offensive. And trying to be inclusive of  
others. This doesn't need to be forced but I think it's a good thing  
to keep in mind.
This is why I was asking for a definition of political correctness -  
do you only mean things that are forced/made into law or would you  
term adjusting one's own language voluntarily so as not to cause  
offense to others political correctness as well?
I think we can keep freedom of speech and yet be considerate/
inclusive of others.
You can say what you like to someone but they may be offended -  
that's your choice.

Just out of curiousity, how do people feel about the incitement to  
hatred laws - for example, do you think it's right to outlaw people  
from making speeches that encourage violence or hatred towards  
another ethnic group?

Kat






On 6 Jul 2007, at 13:43, George wrote:

> Kat - obviously you are expressing your personal view on what you  
> think and feel is right (equality).
>
> I suggest, the issue with political correctness is not one of  
> equality, but whether one group of people who hold a certain view  
> can enforce another group to "think/talk" like them.
>
> Political correctness seems to say that there is only one correct  
> way of talking/thinking (that which produces equality).  This by  
> definition is against freedom of speech/thought.
>
> However, even this does not make political correctness 'wrong', it  
> just means you personally value equality over freedom of speech.
>
> George
>
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> To: [address removed]
> Subject: Re: [philosophy-178] Political Correctness
> Date: Fri,  6 Jul[masked]:04:47 -0400 (EDT)
>
> I get really frustrated about the current trend to be anti-
> political  correctness. True, it can be taken too far, but its  
> general  principles I agree with. Things like changing the language  
> to be all- inclusive - it's very hard, as a woman, to feel included  
> in a  discussion when the general human is said to be a 'he' - so  
> I'm all  for political correctness in that aspect. In terms of  
> trying to get  more minorities, etc into jobs, I think it's more  
> important to get  qualified people than a specific demographic;  
> however, white men have  been monopolizing most of civilization for  
> so long, I can see the  wish to address the balance (reverse  
> discrimination). I think the  best thing is to aim for equality of  
> opportunity (starting at school  level) so these patterns don't  
> persist.
> Perhaps political correctness needs to be defined before we can  
> have  a proper debate about it.
>
> Kat
>
>
>
>
> On 6 Jul 2007, at 06:26, Maliu wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In discussing the Politicals of Language, there is
>> also Political Correctness.
>>
>> I found the following cute script on the subject.
>>
>> Is Political Correctness against Freedom of Expression.
>>
>> The answer is a yes, and it will be so for all times.
>> Political correctness came about to be a lot more political than
>> correct and that is why the term was born. In spite of the good
>> wishes of its naive parents it stopped being good quite early on.
>> In fact I do remember a while ago Uncle Compassion and Auntie
>> Responsibility had tried to talk the young kid into the real  
>> Political
>> Correctness, but the child has his bright eyes gazing into the  
>> horizon,
>> one reality at a time. Now not wanting to get too far from your real
>> question, Free Speech. This kid has had the epic wars with Censors
>> that did hide inside an outside of anything that was moving, but the
>> Political Correctness story is sure new. It really does not move, its
>> lame and I can't believe any one wanting to take issue with any thing
>> inhabiting it. I do think political correctness is really not  
>> correct, it is
>> just political and if it is just political it must be against  
>> Free  Speech.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maliu
>>
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