London Vegans Monthly Meeting: Ivor Hueting from Safe Water Information Service

DETAILS: Safe Water Information Service provides information on water fluoridation as well as supporting individuals and groups opposing fluoridation in the UK

ADMISSION: £2 (£1 concessions.).

FOOD/DRINK: Free hot drinks provided, but if you'd like to bring some vegan snacks to share, please feel free to do so (but not necessary).

If you'd like hot food (pizza, burrito, curry) as well as Shambhu's famous vegan cheescakes then please pre-order by 2pm on 27th August from Shambhu's: http://shambhus.co.uk/london-vegans-guest-speaker-evenings (Tel:[masked]).

GETTING THERE: Nearest tube station is Russell Square, but Holborn and Chancery Lane are not too far away. If coming by car there is free parking after 6.30pm on a single yellow line.

TIME: Doors open 6.30pm and speaker starts shortly after 7.30pm.

Newcomers most welcome.

Details of all London Vegans meetings can be found at http://www.londonvegans.org.uk and of Safe Water Information Service at http://safewaterinformation.org/

Look forward to seeing you there.

Julie and Brian

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  • Miriam R.

    Dear Ian

    I have only just seen this with only an hour or so to go before the meeting.

    We are regularly having speakers with no obvious link to veganism and talks on music, campaigning against the arms trade and hypnotherapy, among many other subjects, have proven to be very popular.

    Indeed, regular attendees are calling for talks on a variety of subjects and there are complaints if it is about animals every month. I am sorry if people want a "balanced" view on every subject, but it would not be possible to provide two speakers every time.

    I don't always take the same view as the speakers I invite, but I accept that others may have an interest in particular topics. After all, I would never have thought that that many members would want to know about the Pythagorean music tradition, but went with it and it was a very successful evening.

    With best wishes
    Miriam

    August 28, 2013

    • Miriam R.

      If we can get someone from the other side to turn up, then that will be a great evening to look forward to next year. If not, then I will ensure that Ivor can speak to us with a more detailed description of what will be discussed. Best wishes, Miriam

      August 31, 2013

    • Ian M.

      Miriam, you sound like you're the speaker's claims at face value, and I think that underlines how important it is to get both sides of the story. With a nod to Brian's comment, making sure people get the full picture is the difference between a good information provider and a bad one; giving an uncritical platform to a passing health scare is what the Daily Mail does.

      I appreciate there are practicalities, and as I said my main concern is around health information, where false information can do actual harm.

      September 8, 2013

  • Miriam R.

    p.s. Interestingly, a work colleague asked me some time ago what the vegan view on flouridation was as he was concerned about it.

    August 28, 2013

    • Ian M.

      That's only because people expect us to know everything.

      August 28, 2013

    • Lesley D.

      LOL, seriously, why would anyone assume there is a "vegan view" on anything not directly related to veganism.. do they think we are like some kind of a cult where individuals do not think for themselves.. perish the thought! I would be a bit offended at being asked the vegan view on something not related since it implies that they think of vegans that way.

      August 29, 2013

  • Brian

    Thanks to all of you that came along. Very informative talk on the issue of water fluoridation. George Pinnell was excellent - particular thanks go to George for standing in for Ivor Heuting who couldn't make it.

    2 · August 29, 2013

  • Ian M.

    Why is London Vegans hosting a talk on fluoridation, which is not obviously anything to do with veganism? And why, given that, is it hosting a speaker from only the minority view on the topic, rather than what seems to be the consensus (pro-fluoridation) view, rather than both?

    I haven't formed an opinion on the matter, but since you've posted an anti-Fluoride link, for balance here are:

    US Government's "Center for Disease Control" summary of (they say) the evidence for the benefits:
    http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/benefits/index.htm

    An Australian article about how bottled water is losing kids the benefits of Fluoride (haven't double sourced)
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/fluoridefree-bottled-water-is-contributing-to-half-of-all-kids-suffering-tooth-decay-by-age-six/story-fni0cx12-1226698994478

    August 19, 2013

    • Ranjan J.

      It is obvious to even a LVM newbie like me that the discussion going on here is based on everything else but the topic! And I thought compassionate vegans were a better lot ;)
      I still wish that people attend & discuss this topic ‘scientifically’ during & after the lecture.

      August 28, 2013

    • Ranjan J.

      Thanks Martin, more the reason then that different vegan groups be tolerant & supportive to each other & don’t wash their dirty linen in the public :)

      August 28, 2013

  • Lesley D.

    I have a friend in Edgware who wants to come to the meeting but she is not sure how to get there, she tells me she got lost last time she tried to get there. I am not sure I am going, in fact most likely not going myself so wonder if there is anyone who could offer to meet her at a nearby tube station to walk down with her at a specific time and exchange mobile numbers with her? Let me know if anyone on this group can help.

    August 27, 2013

    • Julie

      Thanks Lesley. I have sent you a message with my number. Thanks.

      August 27, 2013

    • Lesley D.

      It is a shame she has decided not to come but thanks you and Chris Dziadul for offering your contact details to her, sorry for that!

      1 · August 28, 2013

  • marilena

    Hi guys, I won t be able to come this eve I am so sorry, I always have to do double shifts.. Grrrrrrrrr

    1 · August 28, 2013

  • marilena

    hi i never joined your group and i would like to start with this meeting, what time is it gonna finish?

    August 26, 2013

    • Ian M.

      Hi Marilena. If this is going to be your first London Vegan Meetup experience, you should know that this particularly event is not exactly part of the Meetup - it's an event organised by a separate group (http://www.londonvega...­) that is cross-posted here.

      Julie is very friendly, and I'm sure she will introduce you to everyone :).

      Pity you're not coming to Carshalton. The weather will be great!

      1 · August 26, 2013

    • marilena

      thank u all guys, i will be there, i can t miss this speech, i t ll be nice to meet you all i would have loved to come to the fair but had to cancel at the last moment

      1 · August 26, 2013

  • Enrico

    The nazis in the world war 2, were given water with fluoride to the prisoners in the concentration champs to make the prisoners stupid and easy to control

    August 22, 2013

  • Martin

    I thought it'd be useful to point out that the main London Water supplier does not artificially fluoridate. Thames Water state "The decision to fluoridate water supplies is taken by your local strategic health authority - not by us and it is currently not added to our water supplies" -http://customerhelp.thameswater.co.uk/app/answers/detail/a_id/355/~/what-is-the-level-of-fluoride-in-my-water
    They also helpfully supply a Water Quality Search Tool - http://secure.thameswater.co.uk/dynamic/cps/rde/xchg/corp/hs.xsl/899.htm
    Further evidence that London's supplies are not artificially fluoridated, from the pro fluoridation British Fluoridation Society (PDF) http://www.bfsweb.org/onemillion/09%20One%20in%20a%20Million%20-%20The%20Extent%20of%20Fluoridation.pdf
    Community based fluoridation initiatives seem to be the current norm in London. Like this in East End Schools - http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/news/east_end_kids_with_tooth_decay_to_get_nhs_fluoride_treatment_in_school_1_1492805

    1 · August 23, 2013

  • Nadine

    Can't make it on this day, sadly.

    August 19, 2013

  • Amelia P.

    Look forward for this event

    August 14, 2013

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