You know Melanie Joy?
She wrote the book "Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows", as well as a great article on How Vegans Can Move Beyond the “Welfare-Abolition Debate”.
She also coined the phrase carnism - so that the we have a word for the view that eating meat is normal, which was so institutionalised that we didn't even have a word for it!
Yeah, I'm a bit of a fan.
So I'm really excited to hear that she's speaking at the British Library in association with the Institute of Jainology.
It's free. But if you want to come, you must register at
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So the talk is available for free on YouTube (link from www.carnism.eu) and it's free to use so all we need is a venue, laptop and projector!
3 · October 13, 2013
Yeah... I was thinking of pushing for a screening at my Uni.
0 · October 13, 2013
Hannah, the Hornbeam environmental centre/café can be hired at a very reasonable price and they can also be involved with simple vegan catering/vegan drinks. I have been to many very successful screenings there in the past that have attracted a full-house (around 30 people). I know they have a projector screen, but no projector.
0 · October 14, 2013
Although there are many other things to consider - most importantly reaching the wider community.
Whilst available on YouTube at http://www.youtube.co... the downloadable version at http://www.carnism.eu... is probably better quality.
2 · October 14, 2013
It's also worthing looking at http://www.carnism.eu... which includes pre- and post-screening suggestions, and useful links to further info and resources.
I think an environmental cafe could be great, if we could get more environmentalists rather than vegans through the door. A big part of her message is to reach to other social/environmental justice groups. Unis are also fantastic - I'd like to see it shown in schools! I think everyone has a right to at least know about the system they are opting in/out of
1 · October 14, 2013
Hannah, the Hornbeam IS great!
Hi Hannah, do you know about 'Green on the Screen' from Transition Crouch End?http://gots.transitio... could be an option in our area (I'm near Ally Pally). Let me know if you want to try to set up something Kx
0 · October 22, 2013
yeah, fantastic idea - let's make it happen!
1 · October 24, 2013
I, and I think so many others, was totally moved and impressed by her talk and I wish everyone, vegans and non, could hear her. I would love the get a copy of her DVD and host some screenings and spread awareness, do you think this could be a possible future meet up? Would anyone be interested in helping me?
3 · October 12, 2013
I ditto you totally Hannah, I was thinking if only it the talk could have been televised or the DVD at least, what change that would bring hey! I would like to help with a screening, I've been thinking about something like this myself in my area but anywhere would be good.
0 · October 12, 2013
Hi Amrit! Whereabouts are you based?
Hi Hannah, I'm in Southall, Ealing. How about you?
I'm in finsbury park, north London
Well, I can travel anywhere in or around London, am free some weekends so if anyone is able to get some venues etc organised, let me know.
A lighthearted, though hard hitting point was made on R4 last week (worth a listen...on the BBC Listen Again facility for the next few days) by a scientist who argued that monkeys are people, too: on the Museum of Curiosity, he convinced the audience that humans cannot be separated from apes. It is a comedy show, and with great humour, he gives examples of monkeys in one part of the world choosing to eat ants though not termites, while in another region monkeys will do the exact opposite and here's the thing: neither group does this for nutrition - each is following a ritualized tradition...much as our carnivorous friends do??Sorry for the lecture there...I got quite carried away!
On a personal note, I am looking for a running partner to prepare for the Regents Park 10K on the 17th of November. Drop me a line if you are interested. You don't have to be fast to be free! Cheers, Jack.
Cheers Jack, I'm guessing it was episode 2 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/...)? Will try to listen later. Do ask about running on http://www.volentia.c... and check out the Vegan Runners link on there too :-)
I couldn't get a ticket, but watched the lecture on YouTube. Her use of shocking scenes to make her point is entirely appropriate. As vegans, we should stop employing the euphemism "meat" and remind the animal eaters of their chosen reality. For too long we have watched the shrugged shoulders of carnivorous friends indulge their eating amnesia: consuming part of a jigsaw they are not prepared to complete is just infantile, and we should not be complicit in this deceit.
On a personal note, I am looking for a running partner to prepare for the Regents Park 10K on the 17th of November. Drop me a line if you are interested. Cheers, Jack.
Thanks Hannah for the link below ( I sadly missed the event) but am reading up on the site mentioned below - and one of the things I am now going to change is calling all 'animal eaters' - 'non- vegan' - Its the way forward: lets start challenging those ingrained beliefs folks!!!- for those that didn't attend or could not - please check up on the link Hannah mentioned below. :)
This was actually the first meetup event I went to. I heard of this group before, but only joined after meeting the organisers at VegFest. I'm soooo happy I joined because if I hadn't I would have never heard about this talk. I can't even begin to describe how transformational it was. As an African American woman, I only adopted a vegan lifestyle for the health benefits, as I am predisposed to many ailments because of my ethnicity and because they are prevalent in my family. It wasn't until later that I made a connection with animals. Dr. Joy's presentation took my social consciousness one step further and made me question the social paradigm of meat eating. There is so much I could say about this event, but I'll stop here before this posts becomes an essay... Cheers!
5 · October 12, 2013
An inspiring talk - of course for most of "preaching to the converted" but I heard a few Jains after talking about veganism :) I would like this talk to be in every school in the country/world
4 · October 12, 2013
*most of us* - edit ;0
I totally agree. I'd like to get it to activists in all spheres, anyone fighting any "isms" - feminists, environmentalists, anyone who wants to fight the power should be looking at eating animals through this lenses in my opinion. Let's see what screenings we can get set up?
2 · October 12, 2013
It was great to see you all, thank you. I'm sorry that we didn't get a chance to say hello to everyone. Thank you Robb and Helen for being the meetup hosts for the evening.
1 · October 12, 2013
Not entirely sure who came in the end! So apologies to anyone that I didn't manage to say hello to. But I hope you all enjoyed it. (Although as someone pointed out yesterday, maybe "enjoyed" isn't the word...)
sad that I have missed the event and not able to get a ticket in time! :(
0 · October 11, 2013
Another ticket available, if you want it. Can't make it.
Ok, I'm coming down with the mother of all colds so the only place i'lll be going tonight is my sofa. I have a confirmation email which also serves as a ticket. Anyone want?
oh no, you too! Get well soon!
Thank you...sniffle sniffle...you want my ticket?
Are there really going to be 55 of us there?!? "Like" this post if you've got a ticket; comment if you haven't...
20 · October 9, 2013
I'd like to, but the website now says "*** WE ARE FULLY BOOKED ***" :-(
0 · October 9, 2013
I have not received my ticket................ :( - if anyone has one please let me know.... thanks!
0 · October 10, 2013
Did you get an e-mail confirmation? That's your ticket. Well, at least it says so on mine
Hi, Just to let you know that I have a spare ticket now so I'll leave it at the reception desk at 6.25. Should be a great lecture!!!!See you there everyone!
Could I get that?
It seems due to oversight I have received 2 tickets! One is in my name the other is for one Mr Joshi! I'll carry extra ticket with me. If any one needs the ticket please contact me near the doors around 6:30 pm tomorrow. I hope I could make someone's evening :)
Ok Raphael ticket is yours! Please collect it tomorrow. Thanks.
1 · October 10, 2013
I won´t be able to make it after all because of health problems, and although it is too late to send the ticket by post, I also have a mail I can send to somebody to print it. I hope they don´t put any problem with the names. I hope you all have a very good evening. :)
Hi Ana, I'm keen to attend this event but unfortunately I don't have a ticket. I'm sorry to hear you're unwell. Could you please pass me your email confirming your booking on [masked]
Best wishes,Kishor Shinde
I hope you receive it ok. Enjoy. :)
I really wanted to go to this but forgot to register in time. If anyone has a spare ticket they could email me (or meet me there with) I'd be grateful.I can get there any time from 6pm onwards if it helps.Fingers crossed :)
I'm keen to attend this but unfortunately I don't have a ticket.If any one unable to make it, please pass me your booking confirmation email on [masked]
Hi Rob, how do I go about getting tickets for tomorrow?
I'm afraid that you're probably too late now, Stacey. They were available on the link above, but that now says "fully booked..."
But keep an eye here for anyone who can't make it at the last minute.
Ah that's a shame, I will keep an eye out on here. Hope you all have a good time :)
Hello my friend got extra ticket as her son couldn't make it tomorrow. I could ask her to bring that ticket along. But it is in male name and hope its ok.
Is like to come then, if possible
Yes. I will bring ticket.
Hi Aung, I would love the ticket if it's still spare? x
The IoJ are not able to tell me when the doors open, nor to reserve us any seats, so I suggest we arrive at 6:30 so we can try to sit together (if we want to!) We'll try to meet in the foyer of the conference centre, but may be outside if it's packed (and warm!)
If anyone has a ticket for this they don't want or they just can't make it, please forward it to me! As I'd love to go but its fully booked.
Got my ticket...
1 · October 7, 2013
Anyone else going to Tibits afterwards as this is also Vegetarian Drinks night (on London Vegetarian Meetup)?
1 · September 27, 2013
I may do.
Here's that veg drinks' link - http://www.meetup.com... (Lesley, I'm amazed a pro like you forgot to include it!)
Got an email confirmation today (in addition to my physical invite). So they may be able to confirm people up until the last minute...
0 · October 7, 2013
Same here, the email also said they still had places
ditto to Robz they said we could pass the details on to other people
I'm sooo excited, this book changed my life. I read it from the library but I'm thinking of buying a copy to get signed, does anyone know if she'll be doing any of that?
0 · October 6, 2013
... wow - and if my ticket comes in time... :)
1 · October 6, 2013
Got my ticket yesterday :)
1 · October 4, 2013
My ticket came too, see you all there ;)BTW I used to know the editor of Jain Spirit magazine when I once organised him to speak at a London Vegans event many years ago. Although the Jain diet is considered the strictest form of religious diet and is motivated by ahimsa, as I understand it most Jains (i.e. laity) are not vegan, but the ascetics probably are and also restrict a lot of other foods such as root veg because harvesting them destroys the plant and is thus a form of violence. Should be an interesting evening.
1 · October 3, 2013
Me too! It came yesterday
0 · October 3, 2013
Got my ticket : )
Got my ticket too!
0 · October 2, 2013
Hey all, looking forward to meeting you!
0 · October 1, 2013
I have filled out the online register form.Hope I am successful in being allocated a place and receive an invitation card.:-)
Got my ticket in the post this morning. Good luck everyone else.
2 · September 30, 2013
The British Library conference centre has a capacity for 250 people. Institute of Jainology advertised this event in the London Metro last week.
It will be a while before you get your tickets in the post. Contact the Institute of Jainology if you've not got your ticket within the next 10 days.
2 · September 29, 2013
This is not a free event???!!
0 · September 30, 2013
You have to register sorry sounds dumb ok
How do they allocate tickets, I am puzzled, should it not be simply first come first served?
0 · September 27, 2013
How wonderful! Thanks for posting. I've registered so hope to be allocated a ticket :)
0 · September 26, 2013
I've registered for the event so hopefully will be allocated a ticket :)
How great, I would love to but I won't be in London at that date.
I would love to attend.
Oh that's amazing! I have completed the form, I hope I get a space. Thanks for sharing Robb.
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