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The Milwaukee Graphic Design/Adobe Users Meetup Group Message Board › Sick of MIAD students stealing all the jobs, MATC students are BETTER!!

Sick of MIAD students stealing all the jobs, MATC students are BETTER!!

A former member
Post #: 1
I've been doing graphics for over 8 years now and for the past 1-2 years I've been very actively looking for a new graphic designer or web designer job. I've gotten alot of rejection notices and a few interviews.

I am VERY upset tho, a recent job I interviewed for THREE times was given to a MIAD student who had the same amount of experience I had (also 8 years). I have a huge feeling the only reason she got the job was because she went to MIAD. It seems most all Milwaukee area companies think MIAD student's crap is made of gold. It truly disgusts me.

WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?? WHY CAN'T MILWAUKEE AREA COMPANIES WAKE UP AND SEE REALITY FOR WHAT IT REALLY IS -- MIAD STUDENT'S WORK IS INFERIOR TO MATC COMMERCIAL ART STUDENTS!!

MATC has ten times as many computers and actually WORKING ones at that, including working networks and working printers, all top of the line. And the best teachers in the industry. I've talked to alot of students who came from MIAD, they left and came to MATC because MIAD's">MIAD's computers were broken most of the time, had out-of-date software, the network was always screwed up, anything tech-related at MIAD was considered a "JOKE" and considered "worthless" compared to their paint brushes... in fact that's the only thing MIAD students really can do well, they can paint walls and make "abstract" sculptures just fine... I'm sure there's a "booming" market in that area (NOT!).

So why are these OVER-GLORIFIED WALL PAINTERS getting all of the area's commercial art and web design jobs? To me this shows me that companies are merely looking at WHERE the diploma is FROM, and not the quality of the work. Milwaukee COMPANIES NEED TO STOP BEING SO IGNORANT IN THIS REGARD.

CASE AND POINT: While attending MATC, they had a really nice job posting board for internships and entry-level graphic jobs. A close friend of mine had called a company for an internship (that may lead to a permanent position) and the lady he talked to at the company was insanely rude... the lady asked my friend "Where did you see the job posting?" My friend of course replied "On the MATC job postings board". All of a sudden this lady went ballistic and mental on the phone.. she said "that job is NOT supposed to be at your college, you shouldn't have that, we only hire MIAD students!" then hung up on him. WTF was my first thought... this woman never even gave my friend a chance, never bothered to view his portfolio... just hung up on him the instant she found out he was not a "GOLDEN CHILD" from MIAD. COMPANIES LIKE THIS MAKE ME WANT TO VOMIT.

SO PLEASE -- MILWAUKEE GRAPHIC ART COMPANIES & COMMUNITY -- START HAVING A GREAT AMOUNT OF RESPECT FOR MATC STUDENTS -- WE HAVE *REAL* WORLD EXPERIENCE, FAR GREATER THAN ANY MIAD STUDENT HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE.

Thank you,

LT
Erica C.
ericaconway
Milwaukee, WI
Post #: 1
Hi LT,

As an employer, I have to disagree with your observations. MIAD and MATC have some real differences between the programs, least of which is the fact that MIAD is a 4 year program, while MATC is a 2 year program.

Both programs have a great deal of merit. As someone who places graphic designers (print and web) I have seen my share of applicants from both organizations. I will say that one of my observations has been that MATC students are far more technically adept, although, most still do not test well enough for placement (because they need more real world experience). MIAD students tend to have stronger portfolios, and that may be a direct result of having more time to work on them.

It also depends on where you apply...there's a vast difference in the criteria an advertising agency seeks versus a marketing firm or a design firm or a production department or prepress department. It may be an education issue based on what the employer's expectations...do you have experience writing, concepting, preparing files for press, experience with web or multimedia software...

Most students who apply to C2 do not pass our software assessment. Realistically, unless you've actually sent files to press/successfully created web or multimedia projects for clients, it would be difficult to have some of the troubleshooting and improvisational skills that more experienced professionals bring to the table. WCTC students have some great practical experience, because they have a prepress program associated with the design program. You're competing against more than just MIAD LT...UW-Milwaukee, Mount Mary, Cardinal Stritch, UW Stout, UW Oshkosh, UW Eau Claire, WCTC, UW-Madison, Gateway Tech, ITT, MATC Madison and Marquette all graduate students annually who are looking for creative positions in the Milwaukee area. (and those are the programs I know off the top of my head...there are more!)

If you've been out of school and working for 8 years, I doubt your education had much to do with your rejection. At this point you shouldn't even have student work in your book, and I'd be surprised to hear an employer make a decision based on education, unless it's a position that requires a 4 year degree vs. 2 year degree.

I'll also assert that I know many professional designers who do not hold degrees. They are hired based on their experience, portfolio and technical expertise.

I would like to challenge you to schedule some informational interviews with several employers, just to get feedback on your portfolio and presentation style. If you hear them tell you that your MATC education is a factor, well, I'll take back what I've asserted.

As a final note...why haven't we seen you here at C2? We're in the business of finding great positions for talented professionals such as yourself.

Best of luck,
erica conway
co-owner, C2 Graphics Productivity Solutions
A former member
Post #: 2
Thanks for your reply Erica!

I've been very upset as I've been searching for a job for almost 2 years now and I *do* have a 4 year degree (Assoc. in Commercial Art & Bachelor's in Information Technology). I have a very strong portfolio, those few people who I have talked to think my portfolio is pretty amazing, I've chatted with a placement agency and the woman said she'd have "no problem" placing me, well that's the last I heard from her. I absolutely *hate* placement agencies and temp agencies, they do nothing for you and you have to sit and call them every day before they will even give you the time of day.. most of them have no concept or clue in the graphics/tech field and are merely "pencil pusher" types I've found out... the placement agency lady I referenced above, well she had absolutely no clue about any graphics programs (Photoshop, Quark, etc) and said they "Sound impressive"... well "Sounding Impressive" doesn't win me any jobs.

I recently applied for 2 different positions at a Milwaukee company. One was a print-graphics position, the other was a web design position.

They didn't even *consider* me for the print design position, which I was rather surprised in based on my extremely strong print background (Heck at MATC I was asked to help instruct Quark and Photoshop and graduated at the top of my class with top honors). But, guess who got the position? A ***MIAD*** Student with the same amount of years of experience I have (8 years). I did interview 3 times for the web position but didn't get that either. Now you see what I mean about the whole MIAD thing. I wasn't even *considered* because they viewed MIAD as worth their time and MATC students as not worth even interviewing.

I've resorted to sending my resume over to a professional resume writing company, in hopes they can write it for me (even tho the instructors at MATC went through my resume with a fine-tooth comb and really had it polished). I don't know what else I can possibly do at this point. I've already given up applying for jobs for a while... why bother when all I get is rejected?? Most of the time not even a "Thanks, but no" letter.

Essentially, my original post was to INFORM and EDUCATE Milwaukee companies into taking us MATC students more seriously. Even back in my mom's day (she attended MATC) they treated MATC students like yesterday's trash (She can throughly attest to this). I want to make sure that WORD GETS OUT that this nonsense will END and MATC students will get the respect we deserve!

Thank you,

LT
A former member
Post #: 1
I asked you to contact me regarding a job, and you didn't even reply...I know how you feel!

Thanks for your reply Erica!

I've been very upset as I've been searching for a job for almost 2 years now and I *do* have a 4 year degree (Assoc. in Commercial Art & Bachelor's in Information Technology). I have a very strong portfolio, those few people who I have talked to think my portfolio is pretty amazing, I've chatted with a placement agency and the woman said she'd have "no problem" placing me, well that's the last I heard from her. I absolutely *hate* placement agencies and temp agencies, they do nothing for you and you have to sit and call them every day before they will even give you the time of day.. most of them have no concept or clue in the graphics/tech field and are merely "pencil pusher" types I've found out... the placement agency lady I referenced above, well she had absolutely no clue about any graphics programs (Photoshop, Quark, etc) and said they "Sound impressive"... well "Sounding Impressive" doesn't win me any jobs.

I recently applied for 2 different positions at a Milwaukee company. One was a print-graphics position, the other was a web design position.

They didn't even *consider* me for the print design position, which I was rather surprised in based on my extremely strong print background (Heck at MATC I was asked to help instruct Quark and Photoshop and graduated at the top of my class with top honors). But, guess who got the position? A ***MIAD*** Student with the same amount of years of experience I have (8 years). I did interview 3 times for the web position but didn't get that either. Now you see what I mean about the whole MIAD thing. I wasn't even *considered* because they viewed MIAD as worth their time and MATC students as not worth even interviewing.

I've resorted to sending my resume over to a professional resume writing company, in hopes they can write it for me (even tho the instructors at MATC went through my resume with a fine-tooth comb and really had it polished). I don't know what else I can possibly do at this point. I've already given up applying for jobs for a while... why bother when all I get is rejected?? Most of the time not even a "Thanks, but no" letter.

Essentially, my original post was to INFORM and EDUCATE Milwaukee companies into taking us MATC students more seriously. Even back in my mom's day (she attended MATC) they treated MATC students like yesterday's trash (She can throughly attest to this). I want to make sure that WORD GETS OUT that this nonsense will END and MATC students will get the respect we deserve!

Thank you,

LT

A former member
Post #: 3
Nope, didn't reply to you A-Sun because I was doing a background check on you last night. I normally don't start giving out my personal information to any old person who fills out my online form. It usually takes me a day or so to get back to anyone who fills it out. You seemed to check out so far. By the way, I am not really looking for freelance opportunities, I'm *really* looking for FULL TIME work, it's what puts food on the table! But thank you for your consideration. You will be hearing from me shortly.

-- LT
A former member
Post #: 2
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Erica C.
ericaconway
Milwaukee, WI
Post #: 2
I asked you to contact me regarding a job, and you didn't even reply...I know how you feel!

Asun,

I sent you an email shortly after we spoke on Thursday. I will resend. Please call me to confirm I'm sending it to the right address.

erica
Erica C.
ericaconway
Milwaukee, WI
Post #: 3
Heather,

You're killing me here! :) If you went to a traditional staffing agency, it's understandable that you didn't get the service you might expect. There are several agencies in town that specialize in creative/graphic design/production placement...Aquent, AAA Staffing and AdTec, in addition to C2. Seriously, I spend my days filling full and part time positions for graphic designers & production artists (print and web) as well as creative and art directors, copy writers and marketing professionals. All I'm saying is that it cannot hurt you to register with all these agencies and have 4 sets of eyes looking for postions for you rather than just your one set of eyes. Most placement pros in this field are well-connected and know the hiring contacts for positions, even if a job isn't posted. Please don't let one bad experience bias you against the industry as a whole.

It's been a soft spring/early summer. Agencies are executing lay-offs, printers are slow, and the job market for creatives is sluggish. But it's picking up!

Perhaps, instead of investing money in a resume consultant (who might not have a full understanding of what you do or the market you serve) you should approach one of the placement specialists from C2, Aquent, AAA or AdTec and ask one of us to give you feedback about your resume.

I liked what I saw in your on-line portfolio. Again, I challenge you to register with C2 and see if we can help you find the right position. What have you got to lose? Invest 2 hours, take our software assessment, do a portfolio review and maybe find a job you love.

Best of Luck Heather.
erica


Thanks for your reply Erica!

I've been very upset as I've been searching for a job for almost 2 years now and I *do* have a 4 year degree (Assoc. in Commercial Art & Bachelor's in Information Technology). I have a very strong portfolio, those few people who I have talked to think my portfolio is pretty amazing, I've chatted with a placement agency and the woman said she'd have "no problem" placing me, well that's the last I heard from her. I absolutely *hate* placement agencies and temp agencies, they do nothing for you and you have to sit and call them every day before they will even give you the time of day.. most of them have no concept or clue in the graphics/tech field and are merely "pencil pusher" types I've found out... the placement agency lady I referenced above, well she had absolutely no clue about any graphics programs (Photoshop, Quark, etc) and said they "Sound impressive"... well "Sounding Impressive" doesn't win me any jobs.

I recently applied for 2 different positions at a Milwaukee company. One was a print-graphics position, the other was a web design position.

They didn't even *consider* me for the print design position, which I was rather surprised in based on my extremely strong print background (Heck at MATC I was asked to help instruct Quark and Photoshop and graduated at the top of my class with top honors). But, guess who got the position? A ***MIAD*** Student with the same amount of years of experience I have (8 years). I did interview 3 times for the web position but didn't get that either. Now you see what I mean about the whole MIAD thing. I wasn't even *considered* because they viewed MIAD as worth their time and MATC students as not worth even interviewing.

I've resorted to sending my resume over to a professional resume writing company, in hopes they can write it for me (even tho the instructors at MATC went through my resume with a fine-tooth comb and really had it polished). I don't know what else I can possibly do at this point. I've already given up applying for jobs for a while... why bother when all I get is rejected?? Most of the time not even a "Thanks, but no" letter.

Essentially, my original post was to INFORM and EDUCATE Milwaukee companies into taking us MATC students more seriously. Even back in my mom's day (she attended MATC) they treated MATC students like yesterday's trash (She can throughly attest to this). I want to make sure that WORD GETS OUT that this nonsense will END and MATC students will get the respect we deserve!

Thank you,

LT

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