If this crank is causing anyone to feel threatened, his messages
should be passed to the appropriate authorities, not ignored.

? ?-Glenn.

Jessica Freitag wrote:
> Make pdf files of all of those comments before deleting them, using a
> simple pdf printer. That might help.
>
> --- On *Wed, 12/16/09, Cody Peterson /<[address removed]>/* wrote:
>
>
> ? ? From: Cody Peterson <[address removed]>
> ? ? Subject: Re: [mnatheists] A Note Regarding Samuel
> ? ? To: [address removed]
> ? ? Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 1:50 PM
>
> ? ? It's also possible that meetup might have archived copies of these
> ? ? messages that have not been purged from the actual system yet.
> ? ? Contacting meetup is definitely the next best step at this point, imo.
>
> ? ? justin chase wrote:
>> ? ? Since you have been deleting the messages I'm not sure I know
>> ? ? what samuel has actually been saying. Can we get a sample of some
>> ? ? of the comments for threat evaluation? If you feel he may be a
>> ? ? physical threat it might be time to consider escalating the issue
>> ? ? to local authorities. Rather than simply deleting his comments it
>> ? ? might be wise to copy them or print them out then delete them, so
>> ? ? you have something you can give to the police if needed.
>>
>>
>> ? ? On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Felicia Parsons
>> ? ? <[address removed]

>> ? ? </mc/compose?to=[address removed]>> wrote:
>>
>> ? ? ? ? Thanks Jeanette ---
>>
>> ? ? ? ? This guy also sent a reply to the Burnsville book club email.
>> ? ? ? ? I have the replies set up to come just to me rather than to
>> ? ? ? ? the whole group, expressly for the purpose of sparing
>> ? ? ? ? everyone this sort of nonsense, but in this case the guy
>> ? ? ? ? threatened to come to our meeting and disrupt us in person. I
>> ? ? ? ? suspect it's an idle threat, but it's clear from the nature
>> ? ? ? ? of his writing that he's emotionally/psychologically
>> ? ? ? ? challenged, which brings up a question I've pondered off and
>> ? ? ? ? on since we started the book club: namely, how to deal with
>> ? ? ? ? it should someone (or a group of someones) show up and try to
>> ? ? ? ? disrupt our meeting. It's one thing if it's a large gathering
>> ? ? ? ? being disrupted by a heckler or two, but we're a small
>> ? ? ? ? group, and given the layout of the facilities we use we're
>> ? ? ? ? literally sitting ducks --- we meet in a room with only one
>> ? ? ? ? easily-blocked exit.
>>
>> ? ? ? ? I don't do a lot of group organizing and leading, so if
>> ? ? ? ? there's a known policy or procedure for handling this sort of
>> ? ? ? ? thing I'm not familiar with it (and neither, it would seem,
>> ? ? ? ? are the folks who run health care town hall meetings) So my
>> ? ? ? ? question is, if Samuel, or someone like him, shows up, what
>> ? ? ? ? do we do?
>>
>> ? ? ? ? Thanks again ----
>>
>> ? ? ? ? Felicia
>>
>> ? ? ? ? ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? *From:* Jeannette Watland

>> ? ? ? ? ? ? </mc/compose?to=[address removed]>
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? *To:* [address removed]
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? </mc/compose?to=[address removed]>
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15,[masked]:36 PM
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? *Subject:* [mnatheists] A Note Regarding Samuel
>>
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? As with any organization, we occasionally encounter a
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? person who is interested in inflammatory language instead
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? of rational discourse. You may have noticed some
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? inappropriate posts from a person who joined our Meetup
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? very recently. His response to e-mails expressing concern
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? over his messages was to escalate his rhetoric, and he
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? was removed from this site. Since then he has signed up
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? under different identities, and we are removing them as
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? we become aware of them. He in no way represents the
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? views of Minnesota Atheists. Please do not hesitate to
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? notify me of any hateful and inappropriate messages you
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? find. I will include the forum rules below:
>>
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? 1. No Hacking - This should go without saying, but you
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? are not permitted to hack the board. Guessing someone
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? else's password and succeeding counts as hacking. Members
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? who hack will be permanently banned without any warnings.
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? 2. No Discrimination - You may not insult members based
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? on their religion, race, sex, political beliefs, or
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? sexual orientation. This is worse than flaming, because
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? it also hurts other members of the board who fall into
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? the category you insult. MNAtheists.org is a place where
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? everyone is equal, and discrimination will NOT be
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? tolerated! This does not mean that political, social, and
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? religious beliefs are not out of bounds for criticism,
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? but criticise the beliefs separate from believers. If you
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? are mad at the actions of an individual, criticise the
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? action, not all men/Christians/atheists/sports fans, etc.
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? who happen to have something in common with the offensive
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? person.
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? 3. No Bullying - Do not pick on other members. The worst
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? kind of bullying is where new members are picked on. This
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? hurts the member as well as the board.
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? 4. No Flaming - Flaming harms the nice atmosphere of
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? MNAtheists.org. It also causes thread's to go off topic,
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? and most importantly, it hurts the person being flamed.
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? The victim may defend themselves against any accusations
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? made to them, but may not make any additional accusations
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? to the flamer (which also counts as flaming).
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? 5. No Spamming or Advertisng - The forum is intended for
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? conversation, not for selling your products.
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? 6. No Adult Content- Pornographic advertisements and
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? images, including links to such material, will be deleted
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? by the adminstrators.
>>
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? Thank you for your patience, and I sincerely apologize
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? for any distress this may have caused.
>>
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? Warmest Regards,
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? Jeannette Watland-President
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? Minnesota Atheists
>>
>>
>>
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