Re: [mnatheists] A Note Regarding Samuel

From: user 1.
Sent on: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:15 PM

Ok what happened?


From: Crystal D. <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Wed, December 16,[masked]:46:36 PM
Subject: RE: [mnatheists] A Note Regarding Samuel

The comments on the photos I deleted today were not threatening in nature nor something I would report to any authority at the current time.  It would be worth reporting to meet up- I am not sure if an assistant organizer can do that or if it should be the main organizer. 

Some examples were "Look, all the heathens are getting together!"  Under a photo of someone drinking a soda:  "Is he drinking blood?"  My favorite was a caption under two people that just said "SATAN AND PAZUZU".  I have found that blocking, deleting, and ignoring (do not respond to the person) can really help in boring a troll like this.  If there had been any threats I would have left them and of course reported him to Meet Up or elsewhere.

I can't comment on any of the other posts by this individual because I didn't see them.

Crystal D.

Sunny Skeptic

���Life has taught us that love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward together in the same direction��� -Antoine de Saint-Exupery




> From: [address removed]
> To: [address removed]
> Subject: Re: [mnatheists] A Note Regarding Samuel
> Date: Wed, 16 Dec[masked]:08:38 -0500
>
> If this crank is causing anyone to feel threatened, his messages
> should be passed to the appropriate authorities, not ignored.
>
> -Glenn.
>
> Jessica Freitag wrote:
> > Make pdf files of all of those comments before deleting them, using a
> > simple pdf printer. That might help.
> >
> > --- On *Wed, 12/16/09, Cody Peterson /<[address removed]>/* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Cody Peterson <[address removed]>
> > Subject: Re: [mnatheists] A Note Regarding Samuel
> > To: [address removed]
> > Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 1:50 PM
> >
> > It's also possible that meetup might have archived copies of these
> > messages that have not been purged from the actual system yet.
> > Contacting meetup is definitely the next best step at this point, imo.
> >
> > justin chase wrote:
> >> Since you have been deleting the messages I'm not sure I know
> >> what samuel has actually been saying. Can we get a sample of some
> >> of the comments for threat evaluation? If you feel he may be a
> >> physical threat it might be time to consider escalating the issue
> >> to local authorities. Rather than simply deleting his comments it
> >> might be wise to copy them or print them out then delete them, so
> >> you have something you can give to the police if needed.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Felicia Parsons
> >> <[address removed]
> >> </mc/compose?to=[address removed]>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks Jeanette ---
> >>
> >> This guy also sent a reply to the Burnsville book club email.
> >> I have the replies set up to come just to me rather than to
> >> the whole group, expressly for the purpose of sparing
> >> everyone this sort of nonsense, but in this case the guy
> >> threatened to come to our meeting and disrupt us in person. I
> >> suspect it's an idle threat, but it's clear from the nature
> >> of his writing that he's emotionally/psychologically
> >> challenged, which brings up a question I've pondered off and
> >> on since we started the book club: namely, how to deal with
> >> it should someone (or a group of someones) show up and try to
> >> disrupt our meeting. It's one thing if it's a large gathering
> >> being disrupted by a heckler or two, but we're a small
> >> group, and given the layout of the facilities we use we're
> >> literally sitting ducks --- we meet in a room with only one
> >> easily-blocked exit.
> >>
> >> I don't do a lot of group organizing and leading, so if
> >> there's a known policy or procedure for handling this sort of
> >> thing I'm not familiar with it (and neither, it would seem,
> >> are the folks who run health care town hall meetings) So my
> >> question is, if Samuel, or someone like him, shows up, what
> >> do we do?
> >>
> >> Thanks again ----
> >>
> >> Felicia
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> *From:* Jeannette Watland
> >> </mc/compose?to=[address removed]>
> >> *To:* [address removed]
> >> </mc/compose?to=[address removed]>
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15,[masked]:36 PM
> >> *Subject:* [mnatheists] A Note Regarding Samuel
> >>
> >> As with any organization, we occasionally encounter a
> >> person who is interested in inflammatory language instead
> >> of rational discourse. You may have noticed some
> >> inappropriate posts from a person who joined our Meetup
> >> very recently. His response to e-mails expressing concern
> >> over his messages was to escalate his rhetoric, and he
> >> was removed from this site. Since then he has signed up
> >> under different identities, and we are removing them as
> >> we become aware of them. He in no way represents the
> >> views of Minnesota Atheists. Please do not hesitate to
> >> notify me of any hateful and inappropriate messages you
> >> find. I will include the forum rules below:
> >>
> >> 1. No Hacking - This should go without saying, but you
> >> are not permitted to hack the board. Guessing someone
> >> else's password and succeeding counts as hacking. Members
> >> who hack will be permanently banned without any warnings.
> >> 2. No Discrimination - You may not insult members based
> >> on their religion, race, sex, political beliefs, or
> >> sexual orientation. This is worse than flaming, because
> >> it also hurts other members of the board who fall into
> >> the category you insult. MNAtheists.org is a place where
> >> everyone is equal, and discrimination will NOT be
> >> tolerated! This does not mean that political, social, and
> >> religious beliefs are not out of bounds for criticism,
> >> but criticise the beliefs separate from believers. If you
> >> are mad at the actions of an individual, criticise the
> >> action, not all men/Christians/atheists/sports fans, etc.
> >> who happen to have something in common with the offensive
> >> person.
> >> 3. No Bullying - Do not pick on other members. The worst
> >> kind of bullying is where new members are picked on. This
> >> hurts the member as well as the board.
> >> 4. No Flaming - Flaming harms the nice atmosphere of
> >> MNAtheists.org. It also causes thread's to go off topic,
> >> and most importantly, it hurts the person being flamed.
> >> The victim may defend themselves against any accusations
> >> made to them, but may not make any additional accusations
> >> to the flamer (which also counts as flaming).
> >> 5. No Spamming or Advertisng - The forum is intended for
> >> conversation, not for selling your products.
> >> 6. No Adult Content- Pornographic advertisements and
> >> images, including links to such material, will be deleted
> >> by the adminstrators.
> >>
> >> Thank you for your patience, and I sincerely apologize
> >> for any distress this may have caused.
> >>
> >> Warmest Regards,
> >> Jeannette Watland-President
> >> Minnesota Atheists
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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