Re: [movies-620] For Those Who Saw GREAT BEAUTY

From: tom w.
Sent on: Friday, January 24, 2014 9:18 PM
Yes, agreed-that makes perfect sense!

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On Jan 24, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Debi Earl <[address removed]> wrote:

That the girl who left him early on loved him all her life i believe & he realizes he loved her also & life was full but empty all these years. My take simplified!

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On Jan 24, 2014, at 8:11 PM, tom wardell <[address removed]> wrote:

OK, last question-the reviews I read after seeing this film mentions "a shock from his past" Jeb's, coinciding with his 65th birthday. What did I miss here???

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On Jan 24, 2014, at 6:31 PM, Debi Earl <[address removed]> wrote:

Re the son's funeral:  I also remember Andrea? asking Jep to please talk to her son earlier in the film but he never even attempted to, so there may have been some guilt (& should have been some). He asked her after that how her son was doing (but not sounding like he really cared, just going thru motions as per usual) & she said that he was doing great, but then when he saw the boy next he knew he wasn't good at all - but still didn't try to help. Then, in his scripted words to Andrea at the funeral (for all to wonder what he was saying) he told he'd always be there for her knowing that he hadn't been & that he wouldn't be in the future - because he didn't want to waste time doing what he didn't want to do  - so his self-absorption may have gotten to him finally, for that moment when he did step up finally - but he went right back to the party life after he lost the stripper & seemed to be able to shut it all down again & he even led the dancing train which he hadn't done in the past.

I loved it too - not because I liked him or the party crowd but because of how it laid lives out for inspection without consciously guiding you to conclusions - thus causing us to ponder more than most movies do.

deb


On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Chip <[address removed]> wrote:
Linda and I debated the crying at the funeral all the way home. She felt it was artificial, that he was doing it all for show. I felt that it was genuine, that his whole lead-up to the funeral - what to wear, where to stand, what to say, when to say it - was all "for show" and then when the time actually came, he found he actually was deeply moved. After all, he had said that crying when you're not one of the immediate family was "immoral." (Compare that to the rent-a-count who said going as the other family they'd been at war with for centuries would be immoral, and then in the very next scene, there they are being the other family.)

I felt that Jep had spent his entire life (or at least, his life in Rome after his book's success) partying and chasing women and being the popular, urbane wit that everyone loved, and now, faced with his 65th birthday, he was suddenly becoming aware of his mortality and how shallow his life had been. The one woman he loved, who dumped him, turned out to actually have loved him after all. Her husband couldn't have children, but he could have - but didn't. His friend had this very disturbed child who ended up committing suicide. Etc. I thought the scene at the funeral was the appearance of another chink in his armor. The priest asked for some of (Andrea's?) friends to come up and carry the coffin and no one stepped forward. Jep got his friends - the mother's friends - to step up. (The next shot made it clear that there had been some of Andrea's friends there - they just didn't step up.) I think that was why Jep also cried when they turned away from the congregation to carry the coffin out.

As you can probably guess, I loved the movie. 

Chip

On Jan 24, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Debi Earl <[address removed]> wrote:

I'm with you Rosemary!! I loved it & will see it again on the big screen probably this weekend after I read more about it.
I loved that photo show too - great idea for new parents to start on!
There was so much to watch & read & see & hear, overload until I relaxed & went with it. Really took me back to college days where I got started watching foreign films & learning about directors & symbolism & cinematography - this included all of the elements of the real film art works/directors like Fellini (as I said before)- which doesn't happen as often now days I don't think, for many reasons. It picked you up & ran you thru a fast paced life & made you feel the glamour but also the emptiness without having to spell it out. I loved their conversations & when the one kind of neurotic woman kept asking him to tell her the truth but hated it when he finally did - that reminded me of Woody Allen as he interjects those moments of truth that slap you in the face or that everyone wishes they could do at least once in life to someone who's begging for it.
I could have done without quite so much of the religious parts which drag for me always but I understood what he was doing with it & how it tied into "roots" (tradition), etc. but maybe not quite so long. Could have been named Life & Death & Life & Death!!
If anyone wants to see it Sat. night let me know or post it - I'll be ready to see it again by then!
Debi

On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Rosemary <[address removed]> wrote:

Wow, wow, wow ... what a lavish and beautiful film filled with some really interesting characters & faces.  I loved the narcissism of having ones picture taken daily and then posted on massive walls and so loved how Jep (was that his name?)  is so moved as he watches an entire life pass by him ... just like his.   Really good stuff and oh my gosh the Mother "Theresa" character ... its about roots!!!!    So wish I had seen this with the group and open to hearing your comments ... hope you enjoyed as much as I did.     Thanks for sharing,    Rosemary





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