Re: [ruby-110] How to approach Rails developers - an admonishment

From: Brian
Sent on: Saturday, June 23, 2012 10:37 AM
Thanks, Cade.

To address Andy, there IS a right way, and a wrong way, to approach a developer. It is a completely valid topic. When a business person approaches a developer with an idea, and can't pay market wages, then he is attempting to sell his idea. As a salesman, there are effective ways to sell, and there are ineffective ways to sell.

There is nothing wrong with pointing out that the original poster was using a very ineffective and even borderline predatory approach. 


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On Saturday, June 23, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Cade Truitt wrote:

> Admonish? Really? I don't typically participate in these threaded discussions, but I think it's time to drop the issue. The original responses to the job posting weren't appropriate. Those who did it were called out. At least one of the offenders accepted the correction with humility and grace. Let's move on to restoring the repentant offenders to our community instead of continuing to berate them by piling on our righteous indignation for an offense that's been settled.
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> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Scott Gordon <[address removed] (mailto:[address removed])> wrote:
> > Great post Andy and agree 100%. 
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> > On Jun 23, 2012, at 8:42 AM, "Andy Matthews" <[address removed] (mailto:[address removed])> wrote:
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> > > I want to admonish the list for the way they've been acting towards this person, and for the title of this very topic. 
> > > 
> > > I speak at 3-4 conferences a year, and participate in user groups, online meetups, and plain old developer chit-chat. One of the topics that comes up time and time again when discussing the Ruby and Rails community is the ego and elitism of said developers. I know that it's not everyone, but there's enough high profile individuals who act that way that it paints the everyone with the same brush.
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> > > Attacking a user who has a business idea because he didn't "approach" you the right way is a terrible way to build community and the tech scene in Nashville. I hope you can appreciate how it makes the people on this list look when they're seriously considering a topic on how to instruct potential employers on the proper way to approach an almighty Rails developer (sarcasm mine). The original poster might have been a noob, but that's no cause for treating him that way.
> > > 
> > > I'd like to remind you that while we are indeed the doers, and developers, we're nothing without an idea to implement. Entrepreneurs, marketers, and business people deserve a place at the table as much as we do. Continue to act like you have in this email thread and you'll see your opportunities for work evaporate because no one will feel comfortable "approaching" you.
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> > > regards
> > > andy matthews
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