Re: [progressives] Re: Is Anonymous the Future?

From: bill d.
Sent on: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 6:14 PM
if you consider this a war which arguably it is..it is like debating the morality of bombing dresden and hiroshima which the attacks on pearl harbor rotterdam and conventry..when someone walks up to you punches you as hard as they can in the face..how do you respond? lawsuit? turn the other cheek? look around for a cop? (and risk getting arrested for god knows what, look up the statistics on people that get arrested for reporting a crime because the arresting officer doesnt like the looks of you)or do you wait till his or her back is turned and pick up the nearest rock? philisophical question..and i ad the sarcasm because calling the police seems to be the easiest solution, but in reality how long does that take,and what are the chances you might just get arrested for saying the wrong thing? the point is the govt isnt on our side and will find some excuse to side with the criminals, thats who pays their salary, actually its us but who controls the police and military? the people? hm think so? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzjrIk05YyU


From: G <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Wed, February 1,[masked]:36:47 PM
Subject: Re: [progressives] Re: Is Anonymous the Future?

How is it false equivalency to compare Anonymous censoring websites they disagree with with Tea party hackers censoring webistes they disagree with? You say because Anonymous is right and the tea party are morally wrong. Glad we have you to decide that!
 
So much for free speech.
 
Frankly I think they'd do much more good if they engaged the public in getting off their ass and getting involved in politics like wikipedia and others did for SOPA. Not only did they get several politicians to back off, they educated people, and got people excited over the power they have as an individual. That can cause long term change, to help an entire population to feel empowered to fix democracy and find long-term solutions.
 
Basically you are saying that illegal cyber bullying which can just as easily used to undermine democracy by people you don't like is more important to support than actual participation in democracy.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Miguelito <[address removed]> wrote:
Absolutely I'm for vigilantism, sometimes to uphold the law one must break the law. Some laws are unjust and we the powerless are subject to the corporate hegemony, don't you see? If they get caught well I would call them heroes and your guilty of false equivalency which surprises me. The Tea Party people are wrong morally, intellectually and historically. Anonymous makes mistakes this is true but they are on the side of good. Bear in mind that I'm steeped in a more militant mindset than you by virtue of being a second class citizen in this country that I feel little allegiance to, my forebears are Che Guevara, Martin Luther King Jr., Miyamoto Musashi and José Martí. I accept the need for "guerilla" tactics. Other intellectuals can run and hide in their minds but if the corporate led psychopaths finally attain enough power, they're next and that's just history

On Wednesday, February 1, 2012, G <[address removed]> wrote:
> Well they are supposed to be for the free flow of information but only if they agree with you. They are more than willing to do denial of service attacks to sites they don't like.
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> It's a vigilant group. Are you for vigilantism? Under what circumstances? I may sympathize with what seems to be some of their viewpoints, but I can't yet justify their methods.
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> How do you feel about any of these people being convicted of crimes if they are caught for criminal activities? Would you condemn them paying the price for what they may say is civil disobediance? How would you feel about another annonymous group that was inspired by Tea Party principles and shut down sites they didn't like?
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> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Miguelito <[address removed]> wrote:
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>> http://www.nationofchange.org/anonymous-our-future-1328106234 I'm a big supporter of them
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