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Re: [newtech-1] iRise is NOT a prototype!

From: Whitney M.
Sent on: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:12 PM
I'm curious to hear whether there's any firsthand iRise experience on 
the list, too.  I watched their intro videos, and having spent a 
reasonable amount of time on the development end of things it worried me 
that little things like database access were represented by little 
"magic happens here" clouds.

It may well be that iRise output is more useful to developers that other 
approaches to capturing requirements, but the video gave me flashbacks 
to sitting in a room with a dotcom project manager who was saying "but 
the mockup showed that we'd have a real-time report here.  Why don't we 
have a real-time report here?"

When you add in the fact that this still doesn't address the issue that 
requirements can (will) change after everybody has signed off on the 
iRise simulation, I'd rather just have meeting-heavy iterative 
development process, for all the warts that brings.

- Whit

Vicky Halasohoris wrote:
> iRise is a Simulation tool -and NOT a Prototyping tool -a designer 
> would use a prototype/wireframe tool to mock up in (something like 
> Axure, Visio, Photoshop, etc.) and then your coders/programmers would 
> take over and translate the (web or software) designers' design into 
> code (or they themselves could be doing the design work as well as in 
> addition to the coding work).
>
> but, with iRise you can have an accurate creation/simulation (a 
> simulated product that everyone can SEE and AGREE -before it goes to 
> the designers/coders and before you might have to have rework -with 
> iRise, the promise is that there is no rework!
>
> So, basically iRise is capable of creating the simulated scenarios 
> that are created in its simulator engine/tool and thus better assist 
> your coders/designers with transferring their "visual experience" of 
> iRise into a prototype -utililizing additional tools like the 
> products/tools I've mentioned above (not iRise) -to get your 
> wireframes established for your coders to build into code (not using 
> iRise).
>
> iRise should be great for non techies, BAs, RAs, IAs, -and me!  ;-)
>
> V
> On Nov 29, 2007, at 2:58 PM, Gregory Narain wrote:
>
>> I can point to our work in terms of developing wireframes... the 
>> general stew is:
>>
>> for the Mac folks.
>>
>> 1) OmniGraffle
>> 2) Skitch (ask me for an invite, it rules)
>> 3) Illustrator
>>
>> for the PC folks.
>>
>> 1) Photoshop
>> 2) Illustrator
>> 3) Visio
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/29/07, *florian fangohr* <[address removed] 
>> <mailto:[address removed]>> wrote:
>>
>>     I certainly hope they didn't use iRise to prototype their own
>>     site? I
>>     looked around for ages trying to find information on system
>>     requirements and pricing to no avail.
>>     After some research I discovered that the entire business model seems
>>     to be built on dealing with huge (crusty) agencies that cater to the
>>     fortune 100 of crusty companies. Prices for the prototyping tool
>>     ranging from $50k to $250k.
>>
>>     A quarter of a million dollars later, you can start building a
>>     prototype, that you can hand over to the mysterious java guys to
>>     "compile"?
>>
>>     That's is so backwards, it's not even funny any more.
>>
>>     FF
>>
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