Re: [newtech-1] FYI: Sun buys MySQL

From: david w.
Sent on: Sunday, January 27, 2008 12:59 PM
first of all, the idea that you can get by without any support from any organization is a myth, i would say even a lie.  With any db, you'll need more expertise to help you scale at some point.  Do you think MySpace didn't need consultants to come in and help them with scaling MSSQL?  I doubt that. 

And the idea that everything just works together is entirely BS.  Nothing ever just works together.  Even all MS stuff doesn't work together 100% of the time.

Your MSFT purchase is you just spending $$$ for the right to use the software.  < this is the point.

OSS software doesn't require you to pay any money or run any proprietary software stack.  Unlike M$FT, which ties you into paying them for life for every upgrade, every CPU that you run that software on, and oh, lets not forget support costs on top of all that.

if you have the money, good for you.  go spend it on your 'PhD' backed software.  If you're like most other companies who want to save money and prove out their business model first before investing a ton of $$ into infrastructure, look to open source solutions.

-d

On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:27 PM, Victor Shamanovsky wrote:

Righty-o, I don't live in a fairytale of free software :) nothing is free... for example, how many "davids" does it take to keep that FREE!  spaghetti db running?
Why do I need a David db anything? My MSFT purchase allows me to use 1 guy to do it all. < That is the point.

On Jan 24,[masked]:02 PM, david wang <[address removed]> wrote:
Again, nothing justifying your argument, just broad stroke statements showing you obviously haven't dealt with any large scale sites/applications.

"keep fanning"

-d

On Jan 24, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Victor Shamanovsky wrote:

I got nothing to say to those stating that free\$0 is free. If you are convinced of that you may not understand tech., and I don't have time to hold your hand as you learn it.
Instead, I suggest iMossimo thread.

 
On Jan 24,[masked]:13 PM, david wang <[address removed]> wrote:
yes, postgresql/enterprisedb is free as well.  

note:  i'm not making an argument specifically for MySQL, but open source databases in general.

-d

On Jan 24, 2008, at 3:04 PM, Daniel Honig wrote:

 
in terms of cost, HOW CAN YOU BEAT $0.00 ?  
 
You use PostgresQL.
 
 
 

 



On Jan 23, 2008, at 8:50 PM, Victor Shamanovsky wrote:

That discussion on /. is actually shaping out to be in favor of MSSQL, amazing for /. - the poster child for all wintel hate.
I don't know why it is so hard to see that we have a major old-time behemoth, wolf in a sheep's skin, buying MySQL. OpenOffice is already owned by Sun. Old server piranha trying to muscle into app world in a very fuzzy grass roots way. And we have nice guy from Sun's marketing - Tom, making peace. Yes, Tom, you are doing your job. If there was offical Msft guy here saying anything, Slashdot would be citing Msft conspiracy to infiltrate the newest and the brightest. World would be coming to an end. Well, I am not Msft guy, I am easily identifiable on the web and I am here to have a nice discussion because I enjoy good technology.
 
All the comebacks from the "db" guys, mostly nonsense, yes, there are large mysql implementations, but how much are they COSTING to run and develop against? Mssql scales superbly and is cheap AND easy all things being equal. How soon will the consumer (not pro) realise that lamp is something that is owned by skull and bones concoction of IBM, SUN, Disney? What is the argument going to be at that time?

Enlighten me, please.
 

On Jan 23,[masked]:30 PM, Robert <[address removed]> wrote:
Hey all,

  Throwing myself into the fray...

  MHO..

   I think Sun is shooting for Oracle wannabe.. Oracle' revenue model and product line up works.. so.. what is Sun to do? 

   1. Do more professional services..
   2. Buy a DB.
   3. Buy (Peoplesoft/Siebel) CRM vendor (SugarCRM)
   4. Buy Enterprise infrastructure company (Probably Network Appliance)

   Then.. they will have the same line up as Oracle/IBM and chase after that market which is obviously doing well.  Not to mention be more competitive with a complete lineup.

    Look for Sun to make a CRM + Enterprise infrastructure acquisition soon..

    Mark my words Ladies and Gentleman.

    DISCLOSURE:  I do NOT work for Sun nor work in the M&A field.  although with this analysis.. someone should be giving me a big cut of the M&A action ;-)

Mr. Nobody,
-Robert


  




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