Re: [newtech-1] iPhone LoJack

From: user 4.
Sent on: Friday, February 22, 2008 4:55 PM
Michael,

I found this link to be helpful in trying to give you an answer. This is 
one the more on the carrier and device infrastructure front.

http://www.privat...­

Ok - So, the short of it is that in the standard SMS message I don't 
think the tower information is available. Too much overhead. That type 
if information is captured by the phone and the MSC (located at the 
carrier) managing  communications (voice and data)  at the control 
channel level. That doesn't mean you can't get the tower info, and 
somehow do a value add conversion but I think you'd find it very painful.

Most of the carriers have location services and many with XML 
interfaces. The problem we have been facing as consumers or developers 
is access to the information - and it's complete bureaucracy  related in 
my mind.  It all starts with privacy issues. I get it. BUT, and it's a 
big BUT, if people want their location to be used for services then let 
them!

This was a pretty cool site I found while looking for another site Nokia 
did on social networking via mobile:

http://corporate....­

On a personal and business  front. I am very much into location based 
services - for many things. Each industry has it's own need, and 
consumers have theirs as C2C's or friends to friends. 

Next is an example of how frustrating all this can be. Can't you tell 
how much so - lol.

My carrier provides a service to find or track a phone (it's GPS 
enabled). I wanted it so that I could find my primary phone which I 
thought I lost. Anyway, here is the absurd part. The phone I wanted to 
track was my own. I am the owner of the account with 4 other phones as 
part of the plan (family). They would NOT let me track my own phone.  
Can you believe that! You have to track someone else's phone that is on 
the plan. Crazy. It's this kind of stuff that is really slowing LBS. I 
should add, the ability to do location on phones has been around for 
years - well beyond towers - it's just that the carriers are not being 
as effective as they could in this space. Oh wait! This carrier could 
not push the tracking software to the phone. So if you lost the phone 
before subscribing to their LBS tracking service (different than just 
navigation) you are SOL. Oh wait more! They could not even tell me what 
tower my phone was near. I don't work as a network engineer but I have 
been around long enough to know something knows where my cellphone is - 
as long as it is on and in range.

As a side note though - I ended up putting the tracking software on a 
different phone just to see what it's like. It's very good! I am quite 
impressed. So the technology is there, it's the business piece that is 
holding things up - just my opinion.

Mike



Michael Stearne wrote:
>
> On Feb 22, 2008, at 9:39 AM, Dean Collins wrote:
>
>> For all you apple fanboys
>>
>> http://www.tuaw.c...­
>>
>> looks like a more complicate install than it needs to be but I love 
>> the ability to have a public access webservice to update a site to 
>> tell you where your handset is so your friends can see where you are 
>> at today.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Kind of like http://www.dodgeb...­ from a few years ago.
>
> Does anyone know if when receiving a SMS message is there this cell 
> tower location information sent in a packet with the SMS?
>
> Michael
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