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RE: [newtech-1] Re: NYT says that Microsoft is expected to announce a tablet Monday

From: Kervin P.
Sent on: Sunday, June 17, 2012 6:31 PM
Elop isn't a "mole".  He was given a very crappy job and has so far failed to pull the miracle play needed to save Nokia.

> Also remember that Elop _had_ the third platform. It was called
> "Symbian". While it was dying, it was putting a lot more money into the
> coffers than WinMo is.

Symbian as a platform is no Android or IOS, and was not making inroads in important markets.  That's why Meego existed.

Meego would have been too expensive to continue developing and marketing, even with partners like Intel.  Their R&D would've had to outpace Google, Apple and Microsoft's.  Do you really see that happening?

If Nokia had continued down that road they would have suffered the same fate as RIM with BB10/Playbook and HP with WebOS.  Technological marvels but worthless on the market right now.  HP doesn't even know what to do with WebOS.  Worst. Investment. Evar.

The list of failed products comes from almost a complete list of the top tech firms of the last few decades.  They employ the best minds in the industry and invested billions.  Can it all really be chucked to "poor execution"?

[ http://blogs.wsj....­ ... ]
We thought MeeGo would be a platform for winning high-end smartphones. However, at this rate, by the end of 2011, we might have only one MeeGo product in the market.

At the midrange, we have Symbian. It has proven to be non-competitive in leading markets like North America. Additionally, Symbian is proving to be an increasingly difficult environment in which to develop to meet the continuously expanding consumer requirements, leading to slowness in product development and also creating a disadvantage when we seek to take advantage of new hardware platforms.

N9 was one phone.  It never had an ecosystem but initially sold well because of Meego fans pent up demand.  That pool would have tried up very quickly.

Best regards,

Adevsoft Inc
Business Software Development

> -----Original Message-----
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> Jonathan Hirschman
> Sent: Sunday, June 17,[masked]:29 PM
> To: [address removed]
> Subject: Re: [newtech-1] Re: NYT says that Microsoft is expected to
> announce a tablet Monday
> On 6/17/2012 3:43 PM, Kervin Pierre wrote:
> > Should he have continued trying to build a third platform?  The
> market
> > has time and time again rejected a third mobile platform.
> > Microsoft, previously the world's largest software and OS maker
> hasn't
> > been able to do so, RIMM stubbornly tried, so did Intel, Samsung (
> > Bada ), etc. etc.  It's not happening.  At least not now.
> >
> > I'm curious, what could Elop have done differently?
> >
> There used to be such conventional wisdom about video game consoles,
> and yet all three big players have had commercial success with the
> current gen. This never happened before. And I think that we may
> possibly see four or more video game ecosystems co-existing within the
> next year or so (imagine if you can only get Half-Life 3 on a SteamBox
> - instant success).
> So I wouldn't rule out that a successful third platform is possible,
> especially since the phone companies want to break the co-hegemony of
> Apple and Google. The only thing preventing it has been horrendous
> execution by anyone that has the resources to establish such a platform.
> Also remember that Elop _had_ the third platform. It was called
> "Symbian". While it was dying, it was putting a lot more money into the
> coffers than WinMo is. More importantly, there was a huge installed
> base that was hungry to upgrade rather than switch. So if nothing else,
> it can be easily argued that Elop threw away his greatest asset.
> That was his opportunity to build a real third platform that could
> compete, although perhaps it was already too late.
> Nokia had a winner with the n9. The n9, which was immediately orphaned,
> had no "eco-system", no app store, no marketing, hardly any advertising,
> and no telco subsidies. And by some estimates it sold more units than
> the Lumias in 11Q4 and 12Q1. This is just astonishing, especially since
> the n9 was never officially available in the US.
> Flash in the pan? The n900 did the same thing - sold millions of units
> with zero support from Nokia.
> Both phones were models that consumers were _dying_ to get their hands
> on. Willing to import via gray market sources. Willing to pay the full
> freight for. Kind of the same kind of consumer fervor that has iPhone
> fans waiting for days on line.
> Of course, Meego got killed by Elop. So Meego is not a good example of
> potential third platform contestants. It was definitely a go-er.
> On the other hand... you have WinMo. The n9 hardware design helped
> pique some interest, but even with it being given away for free... well,
> it hasn't gone as well as many would have hoped.
> Would sprinting towards Meego have helped? Given the available data, it
> might have been a superior strategy.
> My $.02.
> jh
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