RE: [newtech-1] Switching landing page from Launch Rock to Wordpress

From: Ed M.
Sent on: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:15 AM

An incredibly well-written, polite (I wouldn’t have been), and educational response.

 

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From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Anthony Zeoli
Sent: Wednesday, November 14,[masked]:11 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [newtech-1] Switching landing page from Launch Rock to Wordpress

 

Yes, they signed up to receive *friendly* advice, but in your case, we're all starting to do your product development for you.

 

There's advice and then there's figure it out. Like I said, we (or I) don't mind helping you, but when information is easily found online and you don't do your research, its like the person in the cubicle next to you tapping you on the shoulder every five minutes and asking you for help. You begin to ask yourself, does this person have the basic research skills I'm expected to have? Or, it's the student in the chair next to you asking you for every answer on the test. You adk yourself, didn't this person learn how to get the answers for themself?

 

I have learned their are times you ask the question when it is truly something you can't find out on your own. When its not easily figured out. Then there are times you fly on your own.

 

The mark of a great product manager is one who is studious and can learn on his/her own without always having to ask. That in itself is priceless advice you're not going to get from the classroom.

 

All I'm saying dude, is that at some point, people get tired of constantly answering simple questions that can be found easily in a Google search. This list is a discussion group, not your personal Wordpress.StackExchange.com or the WordPress.org forums, or even the WordPress developers IRC channel: #wordpress, which are all places you can turn to as well. Then, there's also WordPress NYC on Meetup.com and a massive WordPress LinkedIn group.

 

I run two WorrdPress Meetups: Winston-Salem and Chapel Hill. I've spoken at various WordCamps and, like Joly said, am happy to give advice. But you've already gone down the LaunchRock road here. 

 

Comparing LaunchRock, whose mission is to harvest email addresses for the purpose of distributing beta invites and WordPress, which is a sophisticated content management system, is probably not the best or a justifiable comparison. They both do their jobs well. If you want to argue whether Drupal is better than WordPress, that's a comparison that makes sense. Should LaunchRock have a WordPress plugin that automatically adds users to your WordPress user tables and then sets a schedule for sending out the invites? Sure, but it doesn't as far as I know, because LaunchRock does not have an API (yet, I think).

 

Out of the box, WordPress has an invite system, but its not what LaunchRock provides. It's what LaunchRock someday needs to connect to, so that you don't have to ask the question.

 

Basically, I'm giving you a gentle nudge and saying, don't be the person in the cubicle next to me who always needs to ask for help instead of doing some research first before asking the question. I have one of those people I deal with everyday at work. I have to teach that person everything I've spent 20-years learning myself and $150,000 on an NYU education. It gets old...fast.

 

See how much advice and information I have transferred to you while teaching you what we do everyday? No...no, you don't have to thank me for it. Happy to help. But the next time you come on the list with a SIMPLE question that can be found in a Google search, I'm going to say to myself, "self, why is it so hard for some people to just figure it out?"

 

Maybe I'm learned differently. I was always taught that it's ultimately more satisfying when you learn things without people having to tell you the answers. For me, finding and applying an answer is rewarding, because I depended on my skills to figure it out on my own instead of constantly tapping others on the shoulder and asking for information that is as plain as day - if you do the work to find it. Obviously, we all need someone to give us a jump start, but once your armed with that information, you're expected to figure it out.

 

Lets get to the "nothing of value" part now. I've been helping you all throughout your process with your WordPress discovery and NOT ONCE have you contacted me off-list to ask a question. And, I'm helping you here today, by teaching you how to become a better product manager. I'll send you an invoice. :)

 

Tony Z


On Wednesday, November 14, 2012, Fouad ElAmir wrote:

Anthony,

 

I always perform my due diligence before I seek out the advice of others. And, being that this this is a tech community, people signed up on this thread to advise and seek out the  advice of others. 

 

So, being as you have nothing of value to contribute to my thread, I suggest you focus your energy in a more productive and beneficial manner.

 

Cheers,

 

Fouad

Founder@DateMapps

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On Nov 14, 2012, at 1:42 AM, Anthony Zeoli <[address removed]> wrote:

Hey Fouad,

 

One more thing.

 

There's this really cool search engine. It's called Google. You may have heard of it. It's been around for a while now. You might want to learn how to use it instead of asking the list for more free advice.

 

I don't think we mind helping you, but some of the things you're asking are so basic, even the Geico caveman can do it.

 

Why don't you use the search term: "WordPress import excel" and you'll get all sorts of hits and probably find the answer you're looking for there. In fact, just put "WordPress" in front of just about any question you have and you'll probably find an answer.

 

We've all had to learn how to research without asking everyone else. I've spent the last 8-years figuring it out on my own. You can too! So, II suggest you put your nose to the grindstone and learn how to research as well. It will make you a better product owner, because through research comes the learned ability to find the answers without having to ask. 99 times out of 100, you'll probably fun the answer you're looking for before someone else responds.

 

Tony Z


On Wednesday, November 14, 2012, Fouad ElAmir wrote:

Hey everyone,

I'm considering switching over my landing page from launch rock over to Wordpress for various reasons, but overall because Wordpress is just simply a better product. However, if I were to do this, would my current sign up list and analytic tools also transfer over, or would I have to save the existing sign up list to excel? Also, will I be running into any domain transfer issues? Thanks.

Fouad
Founder@DateMapps

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