Re: [newtech-1] Kid Net?

From: Ross S.
Sent on: Friday, February 15, 2013 8:08 PM
Or you can recognize that having kids is hard work and wait till you're willing to do it.

People raised children before radio even. Maybe there is a fundamental conflict in play regarding who that half an hour belongs to after all.

Does it belong to you? Your hobbies? Your job? Or the life you chose to create and are responsible to shape?

Having not chosen that responsibility yet, I recognize I'll never truly understand the subtleties until I do, but how are kids going to learn discipline and hard work and dealing with discomfort if their parents don't demonstrate the same.

This conversation is reflective of the problem, and it doesn't surprise me that there is this epidemic of "ADHD" in a generation of kids raised by video clips, and a generation of parents that "solve" that with a pill.

The path of least resistance leads only to weakness.

See: the debt crisis.

Ross P. Sclafani
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On Feb 15, 2013, at 7:54 PM, david wang <[address removed]> wrote:

i felt the same way before i had kids.  i used to look at the families and think 'man that's some poor parenting'.  until I had a kid of my own.

my son is exhausting.  i have to be  "on" all day when I spend time with him.  letting him focus on an ipad for half an hour so that I can get my sanity back is entirely worth it.

now, i believe that there should be balance.  i don't think having him watch over 2 hrs of anything on the ipad is ok.  studies definitely have shown watching over 2hrs of tv early on does lead to late speech development.

OP asked about umizoomi, which is pre-k stuff.  i don't think you can teach a pre-k kid "responsible surfing".   i think a solution to limit you-tube watching on ipad to age appropriate stuff would be great.  there's alot of content on youtube that's great for kids. 

In regards to the video on youtube you posted... yeah, the internet is a scary place.  i'm dreading my kids' teenage years already.  but technology isn't going to just disappear.  having a conversation early about this stuff is important.    here's a website for the parents out there:  


-d


On Feb 15, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Yaniv Sneor <[address removed]> wrote:

Ross,

How many kids do you have?

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Ross Sclafani <[address removed]> wrote:
apples/oranges.

we're talking about exploring the internet, not computing technology.

you want to see a kid have a glowing future in computing give them a computer and let them program, I'm all for it.

you want a kid to become the next Spielberg, which do you think is more likely to help, giving them a video camera or putting them in front of a TV?

the iPad is an internet consumption device. 

i wholeheartedly support teaching kids expression of any kind. I don't think you need the internet to do that.

i dont see where your too tight of a leash comment applies.

all I have suggested is teaching children to use the internet responsibly as opposed to using a firewall to do that job for them.

the firewall is the leash; you let kids explore on their own when they have demonstrated the responsibility to do so.

you don't give a kid keys to the car because they've learned how to work the gas pedal.

if anyone here thinks the internet is any less dangerous than an automobile, i probably wont be able to talk you past your shortsightedness.

now, I do understand the purpose of training wheels, and there is a point when youve taught what you can and you need to let go.

I havent said anything to the contrary. 

I just have seen so many kids sitting in restaurants staring into youtube on iPhones that I think there is a serious underestimation by modern parents of the damage they are doing 

in terms of their children's discipline  and attention spans vis a vis unsupervised internet usage.

yes I have an opinion about it. I'm not short on those.

watch the video i linked and you might understand my conviction.

On Feb 15, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Steve Karam <[address removed]> wrote:

Ross,

In 1988 my aunt gave me my first computer at 8 years old, an 8086 with two floppies, no HD, DOS 2.1. My parents thought it was the stupidest thing in the world to give a child. 

Within two years I was writing BASIC and Pascal, and at 16 I got a job as an Oracle developer. All thanks to that "ridiculous" gift. 

I won't disagree on the need to experience new technology with your kids and teach them well, but in my opinion (key words) keeping them on too tight a leash and denying them the ability to explore on their own will only serve to limit their potential. 

On Feb 15, 2013, at 4:24 PM, Ross Sclafani <[address removed]> wrote:

You explore it with them.

I think the word I used was "parenting."

Why in the world a kid has their own iPad is just ridiculous to me.

The sheltering vs. teaching debate in childrearing has gone on for years and i wont resolve it on this thread, but I can tell you that if you don't teach your child to make good decisions on their own, the second they get on another WiFi network, its PornHub and rainbow parties all day.

You cannot replace the role of a parent with a technological solution, period.

Why anyone wants to have a kid to just plop them in front of the TV (not saying thats you, but its so many parents today) is beyond me.

How infinitely more dangerous that paradigm becomes when you add the two-way nature of the internet should be plain to see.

If it's not, watch this, then tell me why a kid needs to feel free to 'explore'  the internet:



On Feb 15, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Carrie <[address removed]> wrote:

Ross, perhaps you could grace this list with your expert parenting advice on how to keep a child from trying to explore the internet. Or do you recommend just restricting their access to technology altogether until they finish high school (seems reasonable, but those Amish boarding schools are really getting expensive)?  Those of us who haven't figured it all out would love to know how you've done it. 

Sent from my iPhone, kindly excuse typos 

On Feb 15, 2013, at 11:48 AM, "Ross Sclafani" <[address removed]> wrote:

I recommend parenting. Its a great way to prevent kids from doing the wrong thing.


On Feb 15, 2013, at 10:40 AM, Amy Webb <[address removed]> wrote:

So our kid is getting to the age where she's playing around on YouTube on her iPad a lot.  We built an extensible network in our house that has different access points with restrictions (mainly on bandwidth for now). But we'd like to lock down some filters so that we can play the same Umizoomi video 10,000 times without the bad stuff getting through.  

We have some leftover computers from work that could be re-purposed for this, but if there's an easier way then maintaining yet another server that would be great.  Maybe even a service we can forward outbound Internet traffic through?

Any thoughts or suggestions?

Cheers,
Amy

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