Re: [newtech-1] Kid Net?

From: user 4.
Sent on: Friday, February 15, 2013 8:55 PM
+1

Reminds me of this debate on HN re: tech usage for kids (can't find the thread). The idealism of some comments and the 'whatever it takes' attitude of other comments made it pretty easy to figure out who had kids and who didn't ;) 

On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 4:37 AM, Yaniv Sneor <[address removed]> wrote:
Ross,

How many kids do you have?

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Ross Sclafani <[address removed]> wrote:
apples/oranges.

we're talking about exploring the internet, not computing technology.

you want to see a kid have a glowing future in computing give them a computer and let them program, I'm all for it.

you want a kid to become the next Spielberg, which do you think is more likely to help, giving them a video camera or putting them in front of a TV?

the iPad is an internet consumption device. 

i wholeheartedly support teaching kids expression of any kind. I don't think you need the internet to do that.

i dont see where your too tight of a leash comment applies.

all I have suggested is teaching children to use the internet responsibly as opposed to using a firewall to do that job for them.

the firewall is the leash; you let kids explore on their own when they have demonstrated the responsibility to do so.

you don't give a kid keys to the car because they've learned how to work the gas pedal.

if anyone here thinks the internet is any less dangerous than an automobile, i probably wont be able to talk you past your shortsightedness.

now, I do understand the purpose of training wheels, and there is a point when youve taught what you can and you need to let go.

I havent said anything to the contrary. 

I just have seen so many kids sitting in restaurants staring into youtube on iPhones that I think there is a serious underestimation by modern parents of the damage they are doing 

in terms of their children's discipline  and attention spans vis a vis unsupervised internet usage.

yes I have an opinion about it. I'm not short on those.

watch the video i linked and you might understand my conviction.

On Feb 15, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Steve Karam <[address removed]> wrote:

Ross,

In 1988 my aunt gave me my first computer at 8 years old, an 8086 with two floppies, no HD, DOS 2.1. My parents thought it was the stupidest thing in the world to give a child. 

Within two years I was writing BASIC and Pascal, and at 16 I got a job as an Oracle developer. All thanks to that "ridiculous" gift. 

I won't disagree on the need to experience new technology with your kids and teach them well, but in my opinion (key words) keeping them on too tight a leash and denying them the ability to explore on their own will only serve to limit their potential. 

On Feb 15, 2013, at 4:24 PM, Ross Sclafani <[address removed]> wrote:

You explore it with them.

I think the word I used was "parenting."

Why in the world a kid has their own iPad is just ridiculous to me.

The sheltering vs. teaching debate in childrearing has gone on for years and i wont resolve it on this thread, but I can tell you that if you don't teach your child to make good decisions on their own, the second they get on another WiFi network, its PornHub and rainbow parties all day.

You cannot replace the role of a parent with a technological solution, period.

Why anyone wants to have a kid to just plop them in front of the TV (not saying thats you, but its so many parents today) is beyond me.

How infinitely more dangerous that paradigm becomes when you add the two-way nature of the internet should be plain to see.

If it's not, watch this, then tell me why a kid needs to feel free to 'explore'  the internet:



On Feb 15, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Carrie <[address removed]> wrote:

Ross, perhaps you could grace this list with your expert parenting advice on how to keep a child from trying to explore the internet. Or do you recommend just restricting their access to technology altogether until they finish high school (seems reasonable, but those Amish boarding schools are really getting expensive)?  Those of us who haven't figured it all out would love to know how you've done it. 

Sent from my iPhone, kindly excuse typos 

On Feb 15, 2013, at 11:48 AM, "Ross Sclafani" <[address removed]> wrote:

I recommend parenting. Its a great way to prevent kids from doing the wrong thing.


On Feb 15, 2013, at 10:40 AM, Amy Webb <[address removed]> wrote:

So our kid is getting to the age where she's playing around on YouTube on her iPad a lot.  We built an extensible network in our house that has different access points with restrictions (mainly on bandwidth for now). But we'd like to lock down some filters so that we can play the same Umizoomi video 10,000 times without the bad stuff getting through.  

We have some leftover computers from work that could be re-purposed for this, but if there's an easier way then maintaining yet another server that would be great.  Maybe even a service we can forward outbound Internet traffic through?

Any thoughts or suggestions?

Cheers,
Amy

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