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Re: [newtech-1] Protocol for job posts

From: Aleksey K.
Sent on: Thursday, February 21, 2013 7:45 AM

Did not know that the length of your membership gave you special right to an opinion.

On Feb 21,[masked]:41 AM, "Andy" <[address removed]> wrote:
Kind of biased? Quite entirely. And being poised by a guy with a LENGTHY NYTM mailing history dating back ... less than one week. February 18th. No reason to suspect prejudice and/or naivety there. Nope. None.

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On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Aleksey Korzun <[address removed]> wrote:
That poll question is kind of biased. And you should probably not count all the recruiters that voted yes.

Engineers get job offers everywhere they go, this list should be free of them. This is an ongoing issue everywhere because recruiters simply go and spam everything that's why 
people hate them in the first place. Not even mentioning cold calling and other shady tactics they employ.

Simply put, if somebody is looking for a job they can find it on LinkedIn or similar mediums. It's not really that hard, the only reason recruiters spam lists such as this is because there are 1000's of them and they are all trying to fight over a candidate.

Nothing that 'benefits' you as a candidate, you can find same job from somebody else else where in 5 minutes if you are actually looking. 

So I don't get why people are actually entertaining idea introducing job posts to this board, if you are an actual candidate who is qualified this should be the LAST place you would want to see yet another job offer from some random recruiter.


On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Rob D <[address removed]> wrote:
 i guess now is as good a time as any and its only fair to share... this is what we got so far (see image below), very low participitation but feel free to vote again, i will continue to share results (if im allowed to do so without being beaten like said deceased horse) : http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/W6L35TT
 
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On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Alyssa Martina <[address removed]> wrote:
Beautifully articulated, Sai.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Sai R <[address removed]> wrote:
A) I'm not a recruiter.
B) I see some value in seeing job offers come through on this mailing list
B1) I don't want to trawl the jobs board. I'm not thaaaat interested.
C) I don't want this list flooded with job offers because it is pretty amazing as it is right now.

Given these constraints, I'm hoping we as a community can adopt an unwritten, mutually beneficial protocol when it comes to job posts.

1) Subject starts with "NYTM_Job:". This will help us set up filters moving such emails away from the main mail flow.
2) People identify themselves as recruiters clearly.

I'm pretty sure priceline.com (they posted a job here today) and other such well known companies (wasn't some fashion magazine trying to hire via NYTM a few weeks ago?) will get a free pass while other less well known recruiters will get their head blown off.

As a group, I'd rather level the playing field for all job posters rather than accept the implied credibility of a well known brand names. Adoption is obviously voluntary but if we self police and encourage better citizenship from recruiters, it's most definitely a win-win IMHO.

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