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Re: [newtech-1] No Coders left in America?

From: Ross S.
Sent on: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:50 PM
Caling shenanigans on all of your logic:

You can create a product design without a coder.

You can create a business plan without a coder.

With those two, if your idea has any value, you can get the ear of a VC and a small seed to create a prototype.

AND

You *can* pay a coder without VC money. Stop being cheap.

If you have a sound product design and business plan, you'll know exactly how much that prototype is worth to you, then you just cough it up.

If you believe in something, risk your own money.  Otherwise who is going to risk theirs?

BUT

That being said, ugly code + damn self = respect. 

That's how you get it done on the cheap.

PLUS 

Now you have even better idea of the value of that coder's work when you're ready to pay up.

 
Understood.  Believe me, I get it.  It's a conundrum:  can't create a product/MVP without a coder, can't get VC money without a product/MVP, can't pay coder without VC money.

I just learned to hack up some very ugly code and did it my damn self.  So far, so good. www.abbeypost.com has hundreds of early beta users in just a few weeks with $0 marketing dollars spent.

Cynthia

Founder, AbbeyPost
 



On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Tom Ricardo <[address removed]> wrote:
The main problem being everyone has a million dollar idea.  Then they think they are giving something away by offering sweat equity to a programmer who can spend hours upon hours working on a project that goes no where.

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Cynthia Schames <[address removed]> wrote:
I have to stick up for Kimberly here for a minute.  It is VERY difficult to get coders to talk to you in any meaningful way if you're a non-technical founder.  And I'm not saying everyone's a sexist, but I believe it's even harder if you're female and non-technical. 

There are a million reasons why, and I don't have the time or energy to unpack them all right now, but the bottom line is that it's not about access to an email list of available talent, or about unemployment rates.  It's about finding a partner who's interested in, sees the value of, and is willing to work alongside a non-technical founder.



On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Charles <[address removed]> wrote:
Let me see if I understand this....
We are on a distribution of over 30,000 technologists.  We have record high unemployment in the US.
And we are concluding there are no coders left in America so the only options are sending the work to India.  Is that what I just read?

Charles


From: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [newtech-1] Indian Coders
To: [address removed]
Date: Mon, 25 Feb[masked]:33:59 -0500

Hi Kimberly,
I have my own team and am following   similar kind of strategy.
If you like email me and we can talk offline. I do have a few sites completed check this one www.iseozone.com


Thanks,
Apurva

On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:44, "K. Lane" <[address removed]> wrote:

Good Morning Everyone,

I'm sure this question gets asked from time-to-time: does anyone have experience using Indian programmers/coders.  I'm bootstrapping right now, have tried the "sweat equity" route to find a coder/programmer, and it hasn't really gone well.
At this point, in order to develop a minimum viable product, I'm willing to scrape up funds from somewhere and just outsource the job overseas.

Thanks,

Kimberly

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