Re: [newtech-1] Lean In

From: Catharine F.
Sent on: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:00 AM
I have been following this very topic for 20 years as I am fascinated with it.   Women opt out of leadership opportunities all the time but it has no bearing on their leadership ability.  I never link being a mother (which I am), and being a leader, when discussing this topic.  Bottom line is women have embodied and demonstrated leadership competencies and characteristics for centuries that we have witnessed in areas in and outside of the business arena. The more we research the topic, the more we are able to link women at the top with profitability.  Because we still only have less than 5% women in C-level positions and less than 8% women on Boards it is difficult to make this business case but bodies like Catalyst http://www.catalyst.org/ have been tracking this since 2007.  Here are some other interesting articles that feature statistics on the topic.

Harvard study :"At all levels, women were rated higher in fully 12 of the 16 competencies that go into outstanding leadership. And two of the traits where women outscored men to the highest degree -- taking initiative and driving for results -- have long been thought of as particularly male strengths," the researchers noted.

Catalyst has shown that Fortune 500 companies with more women on their boards tend to be more profitable... gender diversity and improved profitability and stock price

 Jack Zengerand Joseph Folkman.  One quote from them, regarding their study: “…at every level, more women were rated by their peers, their bosses, their direct reports, and their other associates as better overall leaders than their male counterparts — and the higher the level, the wider that gap grows.”

This has been a fascinating exchange.
Catharine

From: rburton <[address removed]>
Reply-To: NY Tech Meetup <[address removed]>
Date: Thu, 14 Mar[masked]:42:33 -0400
To: NY Tech Meetup <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [newtech-1] Lean In

I'm not going to reply in kind. Instead I'm going to encourage you to do some actual research on the subject matter.

If you believe that hormones don't cause changes in human behavior, please provide supporting information. Please go educate yourself and to kick start your journey, read up on roid rage. 

Don't each too much crow, save some room for Pi(e).




On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Catharine Fennell <[address removed]> wrote:
You really are very unqualified to be having this discussion.  Your comments are not only ignorant but prehistoric. 

Catharine

From: rburton <[address removed]>
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar[masked]:22:15 -0400
To: NY Tech Meetup <[address removed]>

Subject: Re: [newtech-1] Lean In

If you look at those women who are accepted, they have a totally different personality. They are much more aggressive than your average women. There's a very strong relationship between behavior and hormons. The more estrogen one has, the less agressive they are in a majority of instances. Agression doesn't have to be in the physical form either.

In the examples provided in this mailing list, you can see how these women are more agressive than your average women.

What's sought after by people in the business world are characteristics that people believe are attributes of leadership.

In the case of social networks, that's something a person creates based upon their personalities and the same holds true to your support system for a majority of the time. I say majority of your time to exclude your initial childhood in which your parents are highly protective of you.




On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:04 PM, liza <[address removed]> wrote:
The obstacle, the social network and the support that you may need as woman are much more demanding then man need . I don't relating that to genetic or motivation .
Liza
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From: Cristian Sepulveda <[address removed]>
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar[masked]:54:23 -0400
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Subject: Re: [newtech-1] Lean In

Margaret Thatcher and Hillary Clinton are 2 examples of leader women, but they have to choose between career and Childs/family.

When a woman chooses career she is a great player, but most women choose family.

for men is easy to focus on career.

El 14/03/[masked]:05, "rburton" <[address removed]> escribió:
Elephants tend to have larger skulls as well :)


On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:58 PM, mark phelan <[address removed]> wrote:
males tend to have larger skulls? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:29 PM, rburton <[address removed]> wrote:
I always found it interesting when a comparison is done between genders. When I was younger, it was rare to see a strong female player and that still remains true even until this day.

I personally believe the key difference between men and women is hormones which effect the psychological of the individual, not their sexual organs. I could draw a comparison between Fallon Fox vs. Ronda Rousey, but that would be unfair since both demonstrate opposing hormonal imbalances for their genders.  

I think women can be great leaders, that goes without question. One of the reasons why we don't see more of them, is because not many have the same psychological drive that pushes them to be great leaders.

I sort of related being a good leader to being a good sports player. Just because you have the ability to be good at it, doesn't mean you'll do it. Having the psychological drive is the spark required. I've known a lot of people who are athletic, but have no drive to be a sports player. 



On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Dean Collins <[address removed]> wrote:

So who has finished reading http://bit.ly/LEAN-IN  ?What did you think of the book?
More impressed with Ms Sandberg?/Less?/Thoughts?

 

Regards,

 

Dean Collins

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