Re: [newtech-1] Lean In

From: Catharine F.
Sent on: Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:15 AM
Richard, if you are so confident with the strength of your point and your argument from your original post, perhaps we should post it to the Lean In community, recently started, and see how it is interpreted there?
Both men and women are contributing their views and I am sure yours would be welcomed http://leanin.org/

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From: rburton <[address removed]>
Reply-To: NY Tech Meetup <[address removed]>
Date: Sun, 17 Mar[masked]:23:16 -0400
To: NY Tech Meetup <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [newtech-1] Lean In

I don't agree with your following statement "The problem with your statement is that you are defining leadership qualities and saying that women, because of hormones, lack leadership qualities."

I have attributed a agression to take charge as a quality of leadership, but that has nothing to do with whether or not a women could be a great leader. In fact, I've said the opposite about women and leadership roles.

The real discussion isn't whether or not women can be leaders, but why aren't more of them trying to be leaders?

If you read over the thread, you'll see I actually made an analogy with entrepreneurs. It takes a certain type of personality to want to be an entrepreneur. So what triggers people to want to take on that role in society?

This conversation is like a drunk driver on the road. You have certain people trying to drive the vehicle off the main path (why aren't more women trying to be leaders in the work place) to another topic (Can women be good leaders?).

I'm confused how people are trying to imply various positions from what I said, but failed to take notice that every example I provided was in direction relationship to the business world. I've been very consistent with that as well.

I don't mean to be offensive, but were you actually reading the e-mail's going back and forth or did you just read the ones that were way off the beaten path and turned into a flame war?

If you suspect that I'm trying to twist my own words, please go back through the thread and show me what things make you feel that way. Please also consider the context in which they are said in as well. Otherwise, you'll end up cherry picking like the two people I was interfacing with who clearly have issues with men in the workplace.



On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Anthony Zeoli <[address removed]> wrote:
Richard,

The problem with your statement is that you are defining leadership qualities and saying that women, because of hormones, lack leadership qualities.

Well, there's a lot of leadership going on with housewives who choose to stay at home with 2 or 3 kids and make sure they are educated, fed, clothed and have fun. Is that not leadership?

For you to define leadership down to a difference in X / Y chromosomes should justify a backlash from many women on this list who beg to differ.

A women's leadership skills may differ from a man's because of sentiment and emotion, but its still leadership just the same. Because I'm a man, I may not agree and I may not like it, but its no less leadership than anyone else practices. We, as a society, simply value male leadership over female leadership for reasons I'm still not clear on or agree with.

In one of your statements, you also said something about women in leadership roles having a different level of hormones than other females that are not in so-called leadership roles. Do you have scientific evidence of this? Does that mean that mean a female in leadership role cannot wear perfume and lingerie, she has to wear a business suit and dress like a man? Just checking, because I'm not sure where you're going with all this.


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On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:30 PM, rburton <[address removed]> wrote:
I always found it interesting when a comparison is done between genders. When I was younger, it was rare to see a strong female player and that still remains true even until this day.

I personally believe the key difference between men and women is hormones which effect the psychological of the individual, not their sexual organs. I could draw a comparison between Fallon Fox vs. Ronda Rousey, but that would be unfair since both demonstrate opposing hormonal imbalances for their genders.  

I think women can be great leaders, that goes without question. One of the reasons why we don't see more of them, is because not many have the same psychological drive that pushes them to be great leaders.

I sort of related being a good leader to being a good sports player. Just because you have the ability to be good at it, doesn't mean you'll do it. Having the psychological drive is the spark required. I've known a lot of people who are athletic, but have no drive to be a sports player. 



On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Dean Collins <[address removed]> wrote:

So who has finished reading http://bit.ly/LEAN-IN  ?What did you think of the book?
More impressed with Ms Sandberg?/Less?/Thoughts?

 

Regards,

 

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