Re: [newtech-1] Creepy Google Issue

From: Cynthia S.
Sent on: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:12 PM
Question:  do you and/or your wife have Gmail, Google Docs/Drive, etc.?  If so, you have Google Plus too (which inaccurately inflates their user numbers since if you use ANY Google service you're automatically "on" Google +...but that's another discussion).  
I'm going to assume the answer is yes here, but please correct me if I'm wrong.  
If you do in fact have any Google services, that is how they're linking your accounts.  It may seem like you're disconnected from the social web to you, but not to Google. 

As for whether it's right...that's definitely a matter for a much deeper discussion, preferably aided by vast quantities of alcohol.  The shortest answer I've ever been able to come up with is, "it depends". 

On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 7:06 PM, David Wechsler <[address removed]> wrote:
Yes - there are really 2 discussions here - how they do it and whether or not it's right.

I can't speak to how, but I am surprised everyone is so "creeped out." As a few posters noted, these are all businesses. And, generally speaking, these businesses provide free services to consumers in return for data mining, analytics and advertising. I am thrilled that these folks make money on me in ways that are complimentary to my life and in turn allow me to use their technology for free.

Perhaps they should also offer a "premium" fee-based service? How much would you all pay a month to have an "analytics/advertising" free experience on each site? And I not proposing this in jest - I would actually be really interested to know if people on this list would pay a subscription fee for Google, Facebook, etc in return for privacy.


On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Steve Sebestyen <[address removed]> wrote:
Ivete,
 
My wife uses a Droid Bionic and I use the Samsung GS3.  She was on Google's search site using the stock browser.  We are not on a shared plan (mine is paid for by my company, hers is personal).  The local search was done in Stamford, CT.
 
As far as my activity during her search(es), there was none.  My phone was idle (I was actually reading) while she ran her searches.  I use Chrome on my GS3 and since it's integrated into the OS it's always logged in.
 
I wasn't able to reply earlier as I've been out doing things.  I just returned home a short while ago and attempted to recreate the issue.  I was able to do so repeatedly.  Using my wife's phone I searched for a nearby high school, supermarket and landmark.  All of her searches ended up in my Google Now window as mapped destinations.... I don't like that one bit.  I ran a few searches with both of our phones on our home WiFi.  I then ran another series of similar but different searches on her phone while it was disconnected from our WiFi AP.  That eliminates our cable modems shared IP as the vector.
 
I'm left with a lot of questions still.
 
If anyone else can recreate this and comment that would be appreciated.  Considering how 'disconnected' my wife is from the social web I'm curious as to how and why Google is linking her behavior to my account.

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On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Ivete <[address removed]> wrote:
I'm having a hard time accepting that this happened based on your description of two gmail accounts that are only casually linked (by sharing a calendar and emailing each other). If that were the cause, I would expect to see all kinds of weird stuf every time i use Google products, because of my equally-casual connection with several other gmail users. And I definitely dont' see stuff like that.

Were you able to replicate the behavior? 

I'd love to see if I can replicate it myself, so asking more detailed questions of your setup inline:

This morning my wife grabbed her phone to do a search for activities at Chelsea Piers. She followed that up with another inquiry for hours at a local mall.

What kind of phone? What app was search done in? 

Five minutes later I launched Google Now for stock updates and what do I see?

I assume this was on your phone, not hers, and it's a modern Android. (please correct if I'm wrong) Are you on a shared plan with her phone?

I then followed up with a search. As I began the query with our local town it auto-completed it with mall hours.

What is the small town's name? (just want to try googling it as me and see what the auto-complete is) 

Were you still on your phone at this point? If not, what browser were you in and if it was chrome, were you logged into your gmail account?



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