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No free lunch - Re: [newtech-1] Your NY Tech Meetup receipt

From: user 8.
Sent on: Monday, March 2, 2009 12:02 AM
Without taking sides here (yeah, right! :-)
I wish to say something here...

I've been in business too long to know that....

* Fee: GOOD!
Free: BAAAD.

* I went to a different meet-up group last month
(won't say names). No RSVP fees. 30 people
RSVP'd "YES". 8 showed up. Of those 8,
5 showed up almost 1 hour late. And 2 of them,
when asked to introduce themselves, gave a 10 minute
pitch about the product they were selling, and how
the rest of the group should definitely  consider
buying their stupid product.

I agreed to speak looking at the 30. Ended up speaking
in front of a tired, run-down group of 8. And since I was
speaking at the event, I got kind of cornered into
sponsoring coffee and crackers. And gave out two copies
of my book. Not that I couldn't afford it. Hell, no. But the
experience was so disappointing, that I came away feeling
robbed of an entire evening.

I'm not saying that if this group started charging,
the members will suddenly turn into super-stars.
No, but, you get the point I hope...

* There ain't no free lunch. Nope, not even open-source
software is free. It's just a different model,
but yes, someone somewhere has to get paid
somehow. People need to eat.

I know people who hate paying for most anything.
I guess we all want free stuff at times. But you
ALWAYS get what you pay for, most of
the time.

* No one is holding a gun to anyone's head
here. I don't see why this has to become a
not-profit group just because some people
don't want to pay?

I would even say, charge MORE, keep the tire-kickers
and freebie seekers out, make this a premium group,
and I would love to hang out with committed,
dedicated, passionate people who don't crib
about $10.

I want to meet and socialize with a group of
great folks, people who can add value
to my circle, and vice versa.

The day I feel I'm not getting my money's worth,
obviously, I will leave. But not because I want
everything for free.

My $10.

- Ravi
Entrepreneur & E-business Architect
http://www.RavisR...­
http://www.Digita...­

Nate Westheimer wrote:
> Look what happens when you step away from the computer for a Sunday 
> afternoon!
>
> Let's see if I can answer some questions without getting down and 
> dirty like some folks on this thread.
>
> Firstly, Meetup, Inc. gains nothing from our meetup. In 2010 they will 
> start taking a payment processing charge (as Amazon.com does today) 
> but right now that amount is zero and in the future it will be very 
> small (we're talking pennies).
>
> As for our organization's structure, to-date it's been quite 
> unofficial. That's why I've stepped in: to make us more official, and 
> to form a legitimate non-profit. But that doesn't happen overnight! 
> We've now formed a Board, and we'll be meeting within a month or two 
> (look at the people on the Board! They're very busy people! 
> http://nytm.org/b...­ ) to discuss formal structure and non-profit 
> formation. So, for now, the RSVP money is put in my personal Amazon 
> account and all money is deposited in a bank account Scott and Dawn 
> setup for NYTM expenses years ago.
>
> So, where does your $10 go?
>
> Until this month, nearly every single dollar went to pay for spaces 
> (no space for hundreds is free!) which always cost more than the 
> revenue generated from the RSVPs. This is why we've had sponsors in 
> the past. In addition, a very very small amount was paid out to 
> part-time help who has made sure the events run smoothly behind the 
> scenes.
>
> For the record, I have taken no money to-date, and consider this 
> pro-bono community organizing. You're welcome!
>
> As for this month, for the first time in the NYTM's history we'll have 
> a surplus (because I found a cheaper space which can hold more people. 
> You do the math.). However, while I'd love to unilaterally lower the 
> price, this is now at the discretion of the newly formed  Board, so I 
> now have to take direction from the Board when we first meet. Don't 
> worry! The primary purpose of the Board is to custody the NYTM's 
> resources in the most responsible manner. As you can tell, I'm also 
> about transparency, so what's decided will clearly have the best 
> interest of the Organization and the community as the priority, and 
> I'll communicate that decision when its made.
>
> So that's it. If anyone has more specific questions, you can always 
> email me [address removed] <mailto:[address removed]>
>
> See you all through the snow!
>
> Nate
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Baba <[address removed] 
> <mailto:[address removed]>> wrote:
>
>     well I surely will like answers if nobody else cares.
>     Amazes me that Nate Westheimer gets this money & he did not do
>     jack to get it. Wow I must be a sucker but Ill hope to get some
>     answers then Ill cut my losses as I see fit.
>
>
>     On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Konstantin <[address removed]
>     <mailto:[address removed]>> wrote:
>
>         Maybe these questions should be raised at tomorrow's meeting?
>
>
>
>         On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Adam Black
>         <[address removed] <mailto:[address removed]>> wrote:
>         > good points.
>         > 600 people 12 times a year *10 bucks = $72,000 .
>         > Wheres it going exactly???
>         > Not a bad revenue and suspect enough to pay for room hire
>         and then some.
>         > On Mar 1, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Baba wrote:
>         >
>         > I just signed up for the meet up tomorrow.
>         > The reciept I got for paying $10 says that the payment was
>         credited to this
>         > person:-
>         >  "Recipient: Nathaniel Westheimer For: Payment (for 1
>         person) for NY Tech
>         > March Meetup - Unbelievably Cool Tech to Nate Westheimer"
>         >
>         > I have posed this question once before and not a single
>         person responded to
>         > the question being,
>         >  WHAT happens to all this money being collected?
>         >
>         > If this meetup group is a For Profit Meeting run by a group
>         of folks, then
>         > we should get a receipt which states the money is going to a
>         Corporation, if
>         > it is going to a Non-Profit group then it should state that
>         on the receipt.
>         > I just don't like this lack of transparency and if I don't
>         get the answers
>         > my only choice would be to not partake in the activities. TO
>         me the idea is
>         > that a group of folks who have interest in new technologies
>         in NYC gathering
>         > together and exchanging ideas. If it is run by a bunch of
>         folks who want
>         > make money from it then so be it, I don't have to
>         participate if I so
>         > choose.
>         > Also if one is going to expense this event then a receipt
>         from an Individual
>         > is not acceptable to the Tax authrities, they would like
>         more information.
>         > One may argue that this is such a small price why make a big
>         deal of it, but
>         > it is not the amount in question it is the Principle.
>         > Hopefully one of the folks who run this event will be
>         willing to answer
>         > these questions.
>         > Definately somebody is making money and if I check last over
>         600  people had
>         > signed up for tomorrow so $6000 was collected, could we get
>         a breakdown of
>         > costs associated with this event and if not then let us know
>         that this
>         > meetup is run by a group that profits in hosting this event
>         and that will be
>         > the end of the discussion.
>         > Awaiting a response
>         > Sincerely
>         > A tech meetup member.
>         >
>         > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Meetup <[address removed]
>         <mailto:[address removed]>> wrote:
>         >>
>         >> Hi Baba,
>         >>
>         >> Thanks for paying for NY Tech March Meetup - Unbelievably Cool
>         >> Tech.
>         >> http://www.meetup...­
>         >>
>         >> Below is a confirmation of your payment.
>         >>
>         >> Number purchased: 1
>         >> Price (per person): $10.00
>         >> Total paid: $10.00
>         >>
>         >> Your unique confirmation number for this Meetup is A91792.
>         >>
>         >> To view your payment information online, click here:
>         >> http://www.meetup...­
>         >>
>         >> If you have any questions, please contact your organizer, Nate
>         >> Westheimer.
>         >> http://www.meetup...­
>         >>
>         >> Best regards,
>         >> The Team at Meetup HQ
>         >>
>         >
>         >
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