Re: No free lunch - Re: [newtech-1] Your NY Tech Meetup receipt

From: Andy
Sent on: Monday, March 2, 2009 3:40 AM
And as an organizer and member of yet a a few more Meetups in Albany,
I can tell you that charging doesn't always guarantee headcount
either. There is no magic bullet, no panacea.

Thanks-
- Andy Badera
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On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Ravi <[address removed]> wrote:
> Without taking sides here (yeah, right! :-)
> I wish to say something here...
>
> I've been in business too long to know that....
>
> * Fee: GOOD!
> Free: BAAAD.
>
> * I went to a different meet-up group last month
> (won't say names). No RSVP fees. 30 people
> RSVP'd "YES". 8 showed up. Of those 8,
> 5 showed up almost 1 hour late. And 2 of them,
> when asked to introduce themselves, gave a 10 minute
> pitch about the product they were selling, and how
> the rest of the group should definitely ��consider
> buying their stupid product.
>
> I agreed to speak looking at the 30. Ended up speaking
> in front of a tired, run-down group of 8. And since I was
> speaking at the event, I got kind of cornered into
> sponsoring coffee and crackers. And gave out two copies
> of my book. Not that I couldn't afford it. Hell, no. But the
> experience was so disappointing, that I came away feeling
> robbed of an entire evening.
>
> I'm not saying that if this group started charging,
> the members will suddenly turn into super-stars.
> No, but, you get the point I hope...
>
> * There ain't no free lunch. Nope, not even open-source
> software is free. It's just a different model,
> but yes, someone somewhere has to get paid
> somehow. People need to eat.
>
> I know people who hate paying for most anything.
> I guess we all want free stuff at times. But you
> ALWAYS get what you pay for, most of
> the time.
>
> * No one is holding a gun to anyone's head
> here. I don't see why this has to become a
> not-profit group just because some people
> don't want to pay?
>
> I would even say, charge MORE, keep the tire-kickers
> and freebie seekers out, make this a premium group,
> and I would love to hang out with committed,
> dedicated, passionate people who don't crib
> about $10.
>
> I want to meet and socialize with a group of
> great folks, people who can add value
> to my circle, and vice versa.
>
> The day I feel I'm not getting my money's worth,
> obviously, I will leave. But not because I want
> everything for free.
>
> My $10.
>
> - Ravi
> Entrepreneur & E-business Architect
> http://www.RavisR...­
> http://www.Digita...­
>
> Nate Westheimer wrote:
>>
>> Look what happens when you step away from the computer for a Sunday
>> afternoon!
>>
>> Let's see if I can answer some questions without getting down and dirty
>> like some folks on this thread.
>>
>> Firstly, Meetup, Inc. gains nothing from our meetup. In 2010 they will
>> start taking a payment processing charge (as Amazon.com does today) but
>> right now that amount is zero and in the future it will be very small (we're
>> talking pennies).
>>
>> As for our organization's structure, to-date it's been quite unofficial.
>> That's why I've stepped in: to make us more official, and to form a
>> legitimate non-profit. But that doesn't happen overnight! We've now formed a
>> Board, and we'll be meeting within a month or two (look at the people on the
>> Board! They're very busy people! http://nytm.org/b...­ ) to discuss formal
>> structure and non-profit formation. So, for now, the RSVP money is put in my
>> personal Amazon account and all money is deposited in a bank account Scott
>> and Dawn setup for NYTM expenses years ago.
>>
>> So, where does your $10 go?
>>
>> Until this month, nearly every single dollar went to pay for spaces (no
>> space for hundreds is free!) which always cost more than the revenue
>> generated from the RSVPs. This is why we've had sponsors in the past. In
>> addition, a very very small amount was paid out to part-time help who has
>> made sure the events run smoothly behind the scenes.
>>
>> For the record, I have taken no money to-date, and consider this pro-bono
>> community organizing. You're welcome!
>>
>> As for this month, for the first time in the NYTM's history we'll have a
>> surplus (because I found a cheaper space which can hold more people. You do
>> the math.). However, while I'd love to unilaterally lower the price, this is
>> now at the discretion of the newly formed ��Board, so I now have to take
>> direction from the Board when we first meet. Don't worry! The primary
>> purpose of the Board is to custody the NYTM's resources in the most
>> responsible manner. As you can tell, I'm also about transparency, so what's
>> decided will clearly have the best interest of the Organization and the
>> community as the priority, and I'll communicate that decision when its made.
>>
>> So that's it. If anyone has more specific questions, you can always email
>> me [address removed] <mailto:[address removed]>
>>
>> See you all through the snow!
>>
>> Nate
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Baba <[address removed]
>> <mailto:[address removed]>> wrote:
>>
>> �� ��well I surely will like answers if nobody else cares.
>> �� ��Amazes me that Nate Westheimer gets this money & he did not do
>> �� ��jack to get it. Wow I must be a sucker but Ill hope to get some
>> �� ��answers then Ill cut my losses as I see fit.
>>
>>
>> �� ��On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Konstantin <[address removed]
>> �� ��<mailto:[addres­s removed]>> wrote:
>>
>> �� �� �� ��Maybe these questions should be raised at tomorrow's meeting?
>>
>>
>>
>> �� �� �� ��On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Adam Black
>> �� �� �� ��<[address removed] <mailto:[address removed]>> wrote:
>> �� �� �� ��> good points.
>> �� �� �� ��> 600 people 12 times a year *10 bucks = $72,000 .
>> �� �� �� ��> Wheres it going exactly???
>> �� �� �� ��> Not a bad revenue and suspect enough to pay for room hire
>> �� �� �� ��and then some.
>> �� �� �� ��> On Mar 1, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Baba wrote:
>> �� �� �� ��>
>> �� �� �� ��> I just signed up for the meet up tomorrow.
>> �� �� �� ��> The reciept I got for paying $10 says that the payment was
>> �� �� �� ��credited to this
>> �� �� �� ��> person:-
>> �� �� �� ��> ��"Recipient: Nathaniel Westheimer For: Payment (for 1
>> �� �� �� ��person) for NY Tech
>> �� �� �� ��> March Meetup - Unbelievably Cool Tech to Nate Westheimer"
>> �� �� �� ��>
>> �� �� �� ��> I have posed this question once before and not a single
>> �� �� �� ��person responded to
>> �� �� �� ��> the question being,
>> �� �� �� ��> ��WHAT happens to all this money being collected?
>> �� �� �� ��>
>> �� �� �� ��> If this meetup group is a For Profit Meeting run by a group
>> �� �� �� ��of folks, then
>> �� �� �� ��> we should get a receipt which states the money is going to a
>> �� �� �� ��Corporation, if
>> �� �� �� ��> it is going to a Non-Profit group then it should state that
>> �� �� �� ��on the receipt.
>> �� �� �� ��> I just don't like this lack of transparency and if I don't
>> �� �� �� ��get the answers
>> �� �� �� ��> my only choice would be to not partake in the activities. TO
>> �� �� �� ��me the idea is
>> �� �� �� ��> that a group of folks who have interest in new technologies
>> �� �� �� ��in NYC gathering
>> �� �� �� ��> together and exchanging ideas. If it is run by a bunch of
>> �� �� �� ��folks who want
>> �� �� �� ��> make money from it then so be it, I don't have to
>> �� �� �� ��participate if I so
>> �� �� �� ��> choose.
>> �� �� �� ��> Also if one is going to expense this event then a receipt
>> �� �� �� ��from an Individual
>> �� �� �� ��> is not acceptable to the Tax authrities, they would like
>> �� �� �� ��more information.
>> �� �� �� ��> One may argue that this is such a small price why make a big
>> �� �� �� ��deal of it, but
>> �� �� �� ��> it is not the amount in question it is the Principle.
>> �� �� �� ��> Hopefully one of the folks who run this event will be
>> �� �� �� ��willing to answer
>> �� �� �� ��> these questions.
>> �� �� �� ��> Definately somebody is making money and if I check last over
>> �� �� �� ��600 ��people had
>> �� �� �� ��> signed up for tomorrow so $6000 was collected, could we get
>> �� �� �� ��a breakdown of
>> �� �� �� ��> costs associated with this event and if not then let us know
>> �� �� �� ��that this
>> �� �� �� ��> meetup is run by a group that profits in hosting this event
>> �� �� �� ��and that will be
>> �� �� �� ��> the end of the discussion.
>> �� �� �� ��> Awaiting a response
>> �� �� �� ��> Sincerely
>> �� �� �� ��> A tech meetup member.
>> �� �� �� ��>
>> �� �� �� ��> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Meetup <[address removed]
>> �� �� �� ��<mailto:[addres­s removed]>> wrote:
>> �� �� �� ��>>
>> �� �� �� ��>> Hi Baba,
>> �� �� �� ��>>
>> �� �� �� ��>> Thanks for paying for NY Tech March Meetup - Unbelievably Cool
>> �� �� �� ��>> Tech.
>> �� �� �� ��>> http://www.meetup...­
>> �� �� �� ��>>
>> �� �� �� ��>> Below is a confirmation of your payment.
>> �� �� �� ��>>
>> �� �� �� ��>> Number purchased: 1
>> �� �� �� ��>> Price (per person): $10.00
>> �� �� �� ��>> Total paid: $10.00
>> �� �� �� ��>>
>> �� �� �� ��>> Your unique confirmation number for this Meetup is A91792.
>> �� �� �� ��>>
>> �� �� �� ��>> To view your payment information online, click here:
>> �� �� �� ��>> http://www.meetup...­
>> �� �� �� ��>>
>> �� �� �� ��>> If you have any questions, please contact your organizer, Nate
>> �� �� �� ��>> Westheimer.
>> �� �� �� ��>> http://www.meetup...­
>> �� �� �� ��>>
>> �� �� �� ��>> Best regards,
>> �� �� �� ��>> The Team at Meetup HQ
>> �� �� �� ��>>
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