Re: No free lunch - Re: [newtech-1] Your NY Tech Meetup receipt

From: user 4.
Sent on: Monday, March 2, 2009 5:45 PM
I agree with this - I am willing to pay for quality. No shows are 
annoying. Late shows are annoying. People who show with passion about 
their work and are social, absolutely enjoyable and valuable.

Ravi wrote:
> Without taking sides here (yeah, right! :-)
> I wish to say something here...
>
> I've been in business too long to know that....
>
> * Fee: GOOD!
> Free: BAAAD.
>
> * I went to a different meet-up group last month
> (won't say names). No RSVP fees. 30 people
> RSVP'd "YES". 8 showed up. Of those 8,
> 5 showed up almost 1 hour late. And 2 of them,
> when asked to introduce themselves, gave a 10 minute
> pitch about the product they were selling, and how
> the rest of the group should definitely  consider
> buying their stupid product.
>
> I agreed to speak looking at the 30. Ended up speaking
> in front of a tired, run-down group of 8. And since I was
> speaking at the event, I got kind of cornered into
> sponsoring coffee and crackers. And gave out two copies
> of my book. Not that I couldn't afford it. Hell, no. But the
> experience was so disappointing, that I came away feeling
> robbed of an entire evening.
>
> I'm not saying that if this group started charging,
> the members will suddenly turn into super-stars.
> No, but, you get the point I hope...
>
> * There ain't no free lunch. Nope, not even open-source
> software is free. It's just a different model,
> but yes, someone somewhere has to get paid
> somehow. People need to eat.
>
> I know people who hate paying for most anything.
> I guess we all want free stuff at times. But you
> ALWAYS get what you pay for, most of
> the time.
>
> * No one is holding a gun to anyone's head
> here. I don't see why this has to become a
> not-profit group just because some people
> don't want to pay?
>
> I would even say, charge MORE, keep the tire-kickers
> and freebie seekers out, make this a premium group,
> and I would love to hang out with committed,
> dedicated, passionate people who don't crib
> about $10.
>
> I want to meet and socialize with a group of
> great folks, people who can add value
> to my circle, and vice versa.
>
> The day I feel I'm not getting my money's worth,
> obviously, I will leave. But not because I want
> everything for free.
>
> My $10.
>
> - Ravi
> Entrepreneur & E-business Architect
> http://www.RavisR...­
> http://www.Digita...­
>
> Nate Westheimer wrote:
>> Look what happens when you step away from the computer for a Sunday 
>> afternoon!
>>
>> Let's see if I can answer some questions without getting down and 
>> dirty like some folks on this thread.
>>
>> Firstly, Meetup, Inc. gains nothing from our meetup. In 2010 they 
>> will start taking a payment processing charge (as Amazon.com does 
>> today) but right now that amount is zero and in the future it will be 
>> very small (we're talking pennies).
>>
>> As for our organization's structure, to-date it's been quite 
>> unofficial. That's why I've stepped in: to make us more official, and 
>> to form a legitimate non-profit. But that doesn't happen overnight! 
>> We've now formed a Board, and we'll be meeting within a month or two 
>> (look at the people on the Board! They're very busy people! 
>> http://nytm.org/b...­ ) to discuss formal structure and non-profit 
>> formation. So, for now, the RSVP money is put in my personal Amazon 
>> account and all money is deposited in a bank account Scott and Dawn 
>> setup for NYTM expenses years ago.
>>
>> So, where does your $10 go?
>>
>> Until this month, nearly every single dollar went to pay for spaces 
>> (no space for hundreds is free!) which always cost more than the 
>> revenue generated from the RSVPs. This is why we've had sponsors in 
>> the past. In addition, a very very small amount was paid out to 
>> part-time help who has made sure the events run smoothly behind the 
>> scenes.
>>
>> For the record, I have taken no money to-date, and consider this 
>> pro-bono community organizing. You're welcome!
>>
>> As for this month, for the first time in the NYTM's history we'll 
>> have a surplus (because I found a cheaper space which can hold more 
>> people. You do the math.). However, while I'd love to unilaterally 
>> lower the price, this is now at the discretion of the newly formed  
>> Board, so I now have to take direction from the Board when we first 
>> meet. Don't worry! The primary purpose of the Board is to custody the 
>> NYTM's resources in the most responsible manner. As you can tell, I'm 
>> also about transparency, so what's decided will clearly have the best 
>> interest of the Organization and the community as the priority, and 
>> I'll communicate that decision when its made.
>>
>> So that's it. If anyone has more specific questions, you can always 
>> email me [address removed] <mailto:[address removed]>
>>
>> See you all through the snow!
>>
>> Nate
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Baba <[address removed] 
>> <mailto:[address removed]>> wrote:
>>
>>     well I surely will like answers if nobody else cares.
>>     Amazes me that Nate Westheimer gets this money & he did not do
>>     jack to get it. Wow I must be a sucker but Ill hope to get some
>>     answers then Ill cut my losses as I see fit.
>>
>>
>>     On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Konstantin <[address removed]
>>     <mailto:[address removed]>> wrote:
>>
>>         Maybe these questions should be raised at tomorrow's meeting?
>>
>>
>>
>>         On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Adam Black
>>         <[address removed] <mailto:[address removed]>> 
>> wrote:
>>         > good points.
>>         > 600 people 12 times a year *10 bucks = $72,000 .
>>         > Wheres it going exactly???
>>         > Not a bad revenue and suspect enough to pay for room hire
>>         and then some.
>>         > On Mar 1, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Baba wrote:
>>         >
>>         > I just signed up for the meet up tomorrow.
>>         > The reciept I got for paying $10 says that the payment was
>>         credited to this
>>         > person:-
>>         >  "Recipient: Nathaniel Westheimer For: Payment (for 1
>>         person) for NY Tech
>>         > March Meetup - Unbelievably Cool Tech to Nate Westheimer"
>>         >
>>         > I have posed this question once before and not a single
>>         person responded to
>>         > the question being,
>>         >  WHAT happens to all this money being collected?
>>         >
>>         > If this meetup group is a For Profit Meeting run by a group
>>         of folks, then
>>         > we should get a receipt which states the money is going to a
>>         Corporation, if
>>         > it is going to a Non-Profit group then it should state that
>>         on the receipt.
>>         > I just don't like this lack of transparency and if I don't
>>         get the answers
>>         > my only choice would be to not partake in the activities. TO
>>         me the idea is
>>         > that a group of folks who have interest in new technologies
>>         in NYC gathering
>>         > together and exchanging ideas. If it is run by a bunch of
>>         folks who want
>>         > make money from it then so be it, I don't have to
>>         participate if I so
>>         > choose.
>>         > Also if one is going to expense this event then a receipt
>>         from an Individual
>>         > is not acceptable to the Tax authrities, they would like
>>         more information.
>>         > One may argue that this is such a small price why make a big
>>         deal of it, but
>>         > it is not the amount in question it is the Principle.
>>         > Hopefully one of the folks who run this event will be
>>         willing to answer
>>         > these questions.
>>         > Definately somebody is making money and if I check last over
>>         600  people had
>>         > signed up for tomorrow so $6000 was collected, could we get
>>         a breakdown of
>>         > costs associated with this event and if not then let us know
>>         that this
>>         > meetup is run by a group that profits in hosting this event
>>         and that will be
>>         > the end of the discussion.
>>         > Awaiting a response
>>         > Sincerely
>>         > A tech meetup member.
>>         >
>>         > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Meetup <[address removed]
>>         <mailto:[address removed]>> wrote:
>>         >>
>>         >> Hi Baba,
>>         >>
>>         >> Thanks for paying for NY Tech March Meetup - Unbelievably 
>> Cool
>>         >> Tech.
>>         >> http://www.meetup...­
>>         >>
>>         >> Below is a confirmation of your payment.
>>         >>
>>         >> Number purchased: 1
>>         >> Price (per person): $10.00
>>         >> Total paid: $10.00
>>         >>
>>         >> Your unique confirmation number for this Meetup is A91792.
>>         >>
>>         >> To view your payment information online, click here:
>>         >> http://www.meetup...­
>>         >>
>>         >> If you have any questions, please contact your organizer, 
>> Nate
>>         >> Westheimer.
>>         >> http://www.meetup...­
>>         >>
>>         >> Best regards,
>>         >> The Team at Meetup HQ
>>         >>
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