Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

HOWEVER

In practice, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country
and the right is commonly subject to limitations, such as on "hate speech".
-- Wikipedia article on "Freedom of Speech"

sure its not "proof" because wikipedia says so, but in this case I'll drink
the kool aid.

Oh... and we ain't congress.  This is a private group protected by its own
set of laws and governed democratically.  Shall we take a vote on this
issue?

On Mon, 23 Mar[masked]:48:53 -0400, Glen da Silva <[address removed]>
wrote:
> whatever he or she might say when they take the stage is protected by
> something called the Bill of Rights
> 
>  
> 
> From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of
Bill
> Sobel
> Sent: Monday, March 23,[masked]:44 PM
> To: [address removed]
> Subject: Re: Shocking racist rant by NY Tech Member - Re: [newtech-1]
> Giving away my book for free
> 
>  
> 
> I totally disagree with you Hanan. This is totally unprofessional
> behavior...who knows what he (or she) might say when they take to the
> stage.
> 
> Again, I run events and I am incredibly careful with my panelsts and
> without them even knowing it, I put them all through a vetting
> process...thank goodness this person caught this thing before they took
to
> the stage.
> 
> -Bill 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Hanan <[address removed]> wrote:
> 
>  I don't think the person should be sanctioned or banned from presenting.
> As much as I am disgusted by their comments, there's a good chance they
> don't reflect views of everyone in their team. 
> 
> How about you let them present and THEN share their name with the group? 

> Leave it up to the individual group members to decide. 
> 
> 
> -Hanan
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Andrew <[address removed]> wrote:
> 
> You can't (fairly) censure someone on-list, for off-list behavior. And if
> you do, that's a whole huge gray area to open up, for newtech-1, for
Nate,
> for all of Meetup.com and every other organizer.
> 
> Personally, I'd find that not only distasteful, but ludicrous. People
need
> to quit overreacting.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Kavita Singh <[address removed]>
wrote:
> 
> We should feel sorry for this poor guy who apparently despite being
> talented is so unaware. My personal suggestion would be to:
>  
> 1. Remove him from this list
> 2. Not allow him to present
> 3. He obviously needs some help - so maybe someone can recommend a good
> diversity training program to him or some other productive way to open up
> his eyes a little. (This may sound naive but I do sincerely think there
are
> some positive recommendations we can make as well as of course
sanctioning
> him.)
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> 
> From: [address removed]
> 
> 
> To: [address removed]
> 
> Subject: Re: Shocking racist rant by NY Tech Member - Re: [newtech-1]
> Giving away my book for free
> 
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar[masked]:13:44 -0400
> 
> 
> 
> Looks like I wrote a bit fast here, too many threads ;)
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Mar 23, 2009, at 1:09 PM, Daniel Honig wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> Technology happens best in a meritocracy. 
> 
>  
> 
> It is sad to see talented individuals fall into a shout of name calling
> and flame wars.
> 
>  
> 
> I would say it is best to take the high road and don't give those who
> cannot keep themselves on high moral ground fall to the wayside.
> 
> The cream rises to the top why hatred only breeds more hatred.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Mar 23, 2009, at 12:41 PM, Nancy Burban wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> ��� 
> 
> I agree with the last comment:  
> 
> "On a personal level, I agree - but the offender should be sanctioned and
> prevented from presenting to the group.
> 
> A non-response sends the message that this kind of behavior will be
> tolerated, and it most certainly should not be!"
> 
>  
> 
> This rude & intolerable behavior must stop. This is a perfect example of
> how an act of kindness turned very ugly for no obvious reason except that
> the
> 
> "member" decided to attack Ravi and mis-used his blog, his generous offer

> and this group to do so.
> 
> We must be much more vigilant & stop members from dishing out insulting,
> degrading, name-calling, racist, anti-feminist remarks
> 
> to other members in a vain attempt to show their perceived "superiority".

> 
>  
> 
> Take all offenders off the list & prevent them from presenting to the
> group!!!
> 
>  
> 
> Nancy
> 
>  
> 
> Nancy Burban
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