Re: [newtech-1] Mac is cracked in 10 seconds

From: Michael M.
Sent on: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:32 AM
Victor would disagree with you on security through obscurity.

At any rate, we aren't really debating that.

Is this statement true or false?  The Mac is more secure than the PC.

You aren't being asked to provide any other thoughts or opinions.  We could argue for quite a while on reasons.  However, victor, for example, usually ends up something like "the mac is only more secure because it is less popular.  This translates to "it is more secure." Now since we all agree on this point, I see no reason to argue further. Apple can make the claim that they are more secure. 

-Mike
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On Mar 29, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Andrew <[address removed]> wrote:

Security through obscurity is never truly secure, it just engenders a false sense of security.



On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 3:22 AM, Michael Mellinger <[address removed]> wrote:
So can we agree that Macs are more secure because they are less of a target?

People don't have to worry about 100,000+ viruses that PCs users have
to worry about.  The bottom line is that you are safer running Mac OS.
 We can debate the reasons but the final answer is the same.

">> > I don't watch TV, but I am curious; is Apple still running commercials
>> > where
>> > Macs are portrayed as being more secure than PCs?"

-Mike


On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 2:51 AM, Victor Shamanovsky
> Nice try, try reading what you post, before you post it.
>
> In an interview with Tom���s Hardware, Miller stated, ���I���d say that Macs are
> less secure for the reasons we���ve discussed here (lack of anti-exploitation
> technologies) but are more safe because there simply isn���t much malware out
> there. For now, I���d still recommend Macs for typical users as the odds of
> something targeting them are so low that they might go years without seeing
> any malware, even though if an attacker cared to target them it would be
> easier for them.���
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Michael Mellinger <[address removed]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Just a quick follow up to Victor's post.  Just in case anyone takes
>> him a credible source of information.   The guy who won the contest
>> that Victor was gloating about has stated several times that Macs are
>> safer than Windows.
>>
>>
>> http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/03/26/pwn2own-contest-winner-macs-are-safer-than-windows/
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Victor Shamanovsky
>> <[address removed]> wrote:
>> > I don't watch TV, but I am curious; is Apple still running commercials
>> > where
>> > Macs are portrayed as being more secure than PCs?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Mark Coates <[address removed]>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> That's what you call 'Accessibility.'
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Mark Coates
>> >> Lead Software Engineer
>> >> ZepInvest
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>> >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Victor Shamanovsky
>> >> <[address removed]> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=printArticleBasic&taxonomyName=Security&articleId=9129978&taxonomyId=17
>> >>>
>> >>> "Charlie Miller, the security researcher who hacked a Mac in two
>> >>> minutes
>> >>> last year at CanSecWest's PWN2OWN contest, improved his time today by
>> >>> breaking into another Mac in under 10 seconds."
>> >>>
>> >>> lol
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