Re: [newtech-1] Mac is cracked in 10 seconds

From: Michael M.
Sent on: Sunday, March 29, 2009 11:44 AM
Yep.  Trojan horse attack.  Can always trick anyone on any system.   
99,999 more to go?  :-)

Would it make easier for you if we assumed that mac and windows had an  
equal number of security holes?  Now statistically speaking are you  
still just as secure in windows?  No!  You have got 100x the exploits.

Personally, I don't think it's a big reason to not buy Windows.  Get  
some anti-virus, don't run as admin, use a non-ie browser (or ie8?)  
and make regular backups.

-Mike
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 29, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Kevin <[address removed]> wrote:

> +1?
>
> http://www.powerp...­
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> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Michael Mellinger
> <[address removed]> wrote:
>> Ok.  Can you provide some numbers on the quantity of mac and pc  
>> viruses?
>>  There are 100,000+ viruses for Windows.  We are simply trying to  
>> establish
>> whether the statement is true or false.
>>
>> The one case we all seem to agree on is that most viruses are  
>> written to
>> exploit flaws in Windows.  This is not an opinion, it's a fact.
>>
>> Now you can argue potential all you want, but that's not going to  
>> change the
>> current reality.  Someday I will see a mac virus, but to date not a  
>> one.
>>
>> -Mike
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Kevin <[address removed]> wrote:
>>
>>> No offense, but that's a really bad argument.  We're here to talk
>>> about tech, right?  I find it really interesting that the mac was
>>> hacked that easily, so its a good discussion.  The mac is clearly  
>>> not
>>> that much more secure, right?  Or is it?  State the case.
>>>
>>> What does "more secure" mean?  How much more?  Would the answer be  
>>> "a
>>> lot" or "barely".  Its not really a true/false situation because  
>>> its a
>>> matter of opinion, and depends on several variables.  The average  
>>> mac
>>> user is probably a little more web-aware than the average PC user (I
>>> use my parents as the average PC user).  The mac being more secure  
>>> in
>>> that case has nothing to do with the platform itself.  Also, the  
>>> days
>>> when the mac was a smaller target are pretty much over going  
>>> forward.
>>> In no small part because of the advertising of its safety.  Nothing
>>> gets people to step up like a challenge (by "people" I mean a-holes,
>>> lonely teens, and criminals).  Also, you know, the extremely fast
>>> increase in consumer market share.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Michael Mellinger
>>> <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Victor would disagree with you on security through obscurity.
>>>> At any rate, we aren't really debating that.
>>>> Is this statement true or false?  The Mac is more secure than the  
>>>> PC.
>>>>
>>>> You aren't being asked to provide any other thoughts or  
>>>> opinions.  We
>>>> could
>>>> argue for quite a while on reasons.  However, victor, for example,
>>>> usually
>>>> ends up something like "the mac is only more secure because it is  
>>>> less
>>>> popular.  This translates to "it is more secure." Now since we  
>>>> all agree
>>>> on
>>>> this point, I see no reason to argue further. Apple can make the  
>>>> claim
>>>> that
>>>> they are more secure.
>>>> -Mike
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Mar 29, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Andrew <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Security through obscurity is never truly secure, it just  
>>>> engenders a
>>>> false
>>>> sense of security.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 3:22 AM, Michael Mellinger
>>>> <[address removed]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>­
>>>>>­ So can we agree that Macs are more secure because they are less  
>>>>>­ of a
>>>>>­ target?
>>>>>­
>>>>>­ People don't have to worry about 100,000+ viruses that PCs users  
>>>>>­ have
>>>>>­ to worry about.  The bottom line is that you are safer running  
>>>>>­ Mac OS.
>>>>>­  We can debate the reasons but the final answer is the same.
>>>>>­
>>>>>­ ">> > I don't watch TV, but I am curious; is Apple still running
>>>>>­ commercials
>>>>>­>>>
>>>>>­>>> where
>>>>>­>>> Macs are portrayed as being more secure than PCs?"
>>>>>­
>>>>>­ -Mike
>>>>>­
>>>>>­
>>>>>­ On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 2:51 AM, Victor Shamanovsky
>>>>>­ <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>>­>
>>>>>­> Nice try, try reading what you post, before you post it.
>>>>>­>
>>>>>­> In an interview with Tom���s Hardware, Miller stated, ���I���d s 
>>>>>­> ay that Macs
>>>>>­> are
>>>>>­> less secure for the reasons we���ve discussed here (lack of
>>>>>­> anti-exploitation
>>>>>­> technologies) but are more safe because there simply isn���t 
>>>>>­>  much malware
>>>>>­> out
>>>>>­> there. For now, I���d still recommend Macs for typical users 
>>>>>­>  as the odds
>>>>>­> of
>>>>>­> something targeting them are so low that they might go years  
>>>>>­> without
>>>>>­> seeing
>>>>>­> any malware, even though if an attacker cared to target them it  
>>>>>­> would
>>>>>­> be
>>>>>­> easier for them.���
>>>>>­>
>>>>>­> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Michael Mellinger
>>>>>­> <[address removed]>
>>>>>­> wrote:
>>>>>­>>
>>>>>­>> Just a quick follow up to Victor's post.  Just in case anyone  
>>>>>­>> takes
>>>>>­>> him a credible source of information.   The guy who won the  
>>>>>­>> contest
>>>>>­>> that Victor was gloating about has stated several times that  
>>>>>­>> Macs are
>>>>>­>> safer than Windows.
>>>>>­>>
>>>>>­>>
>>>>>­>>
>>>>>­>>
>>>>>­>> http://www.roughl...­
>>>>>­>>
>>>>>­>> -Mike
>>>>>­>>
>>>>>­>>
>>>>>­>>
>>>>>­>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Victor Shamanovsky
>>>>>­>> <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>>­>>>
>>>>>­>>> I don't watch TV, but I am curious; is Apple still running
>>>>>­>>> commercials
>>>>>­>>> where
>>>>>­>>> Macs are portrayed as being more secure than PCs?
>>>>>­>>>
>>>>>­>>>
>>>>>­>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Mark Coates <[address removed] 
>>>>>­>>> >
>>>>>­>>> wrote:
>>>>>­>>>>
>>>>>­>>>> That's what you call 'Accessibility.'
>>>>>­>>>>
>>>>>­>>>> Regards,
>>>>>­>>>>
>>>>>­>>>> Mark Coates
>>>>>­>>>> Lead Software Engineer
>>>>>­>>>> ZepInvest
>>>>>­>>>> [P]: (580)[masked]
>>>>>­>>>> [F]: (708)[masked]
>>>>>­>>>> [E]: [address removed]
>>>>>­>>>> http://www.zepinv...­
>>>>>­>>>>
>>>>>­>>>>
>>>>>­>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Victor Shamanovsky
>>>>>­>>>> <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>>­>>>>>­
>>>>>­>>>>>­
>>>>>­>>>>>­
>>>>>­>>>>>­
>>>>>­>>>>>­
>>>>>­>>>>>­ http://www.comput...­
>>>>>­>>>>>­
>>>>>­>>>>>­ "Charlie Miller, the security researcher who hacked a Mac  
>>>>>­>>>>>­ in two
>>>>>­>>>>>­ minutes
>>>>>­>>>>>­ last year at CanSecWest's PWN2OWN contest, improved his  
>>>>>­>>>>>­ time today
>>>>>­>>>>>­ by
>>>>>­>>>>>­ breaking into another Mac in under 10 seconds."
>>>>>­>>>>>­
>>>>>­>>>>>­ lol
>>>>>­>>>>>­
>>>>>­>>>>>­
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