Re: [bike-151] Garrett added a post

From: Suzanne M.
Sent on: Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:35 PM
All (including Erik),

We are all in it to ride, eat and have fun! ?I think Erik has gotten the point that the group is great and he made a slight error in judgement -- everyone makes mistakes. ?Let's put this one to rest -- its going to be an awesome weekend for riding and that is what I want to focus on as I look outside my office window at this amazingly sunny day!

I hope everyone has a great rest of the week and is ready to ride ride ride! ?Garrett thanks again for all your efforts!! Clearly they are not going unappreciated!

Suzanne



On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Alex <[address removed]> wrote:
Erik,

I feel compelled to reply to your email, with a preface to note that I
was born and spent part of my life growing up in South America. ?If
Garrett's email was somewhat off-putting, your response is even more
so.

You may want to put some thought into why Garrett would have sent
these emails.

Perhaps you did not sign up early enough to have noticed that this
group was completely dead before Garrett came. ?Now the group has
almost one thousand members and has active RSVP's for events through
at least June. ?RSVPing to a "waiting list" because meetups fill up
quickly is common. ?Have you ever tried to "just chill" with 25 bike
riders? ?As with any group activity, there becomes a threshold where
you have to apply some structure to avoid chaos. ?Do you think Garrett
put this rules into place just for the fun of it?

From my experience, and I have attended several rides, this group is
one of the best meetup groups I have been in. ?The rides have been
very chill and fun, and nobody has gone through security screenings or
other hoops, or lawyers, but thanks for turning this into a political
discussion. ?On a side note, you not only have never been to a ride,
you've never bothered to check the group's homepage to notice the
diversity of the people in the group (not to mention the FAQ), but my
suggestion is that if you want to be less off-putting, alienating
everyone you are addressing by using stereotypes and then asking them
to "lighten up" should not be the approach to be taken if you want to
make friends.

To get to the FAQ: from the "NYC Cycling & Food" home page, click on
"About". ?Under "Recently updated pages", you will find one titled
"FAQ". ?I'll paste it here for convenience:

http://www.meetup.com/nyc-bike-food/pages/FAQ/

It takes a lot of time, effort, and money (Meetup charges organizers)
to run groups. ?Perhaps you should try to organize bike rides with 25
riders that all need to eat at the same time, and then see how chilled
out you are after three months. ?The devil is in the details.

--Alex



On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Heshan Fernando
<[address removed]> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Please just try to relax and have fun. I've been part of bike meetups for
> about 4 years now and I can tell you that I've never seen this many meetups
> happen for NYC Cycling. I feel like last summer there was one ride and that
> was it! So just relax and take it in stride. We should really show our
> appreciation for what Garrett is doing. I haven't even had the chance to
> meet him yet, but I'm really grateful for what he is doing. It means I'll
> spend less of the summer doing boring laps around Central Park by myself and
> instead having some awesome new bike experiences beyond the city limits :)
>
> I've never done any of the rides with this group, but I've done quite a few
> rides with the other bike meetups on here and I can honestly attest to why
> Garrett is sending these stern emails. Erik, and others - When you dont ride
> the proper bike or have the proper tools and equipment, trust me, everyone
> suffers. Sometimes, we have to stop for 20-30 minutes to fix bike issues
> that should have been attended to before the ride.? Also, when people
> complain, are bitchy, and sulk all the time, it just puts everyone else's
> spirits down in the dump. In addition, I've seen people bring Walmart
> mountain bikes to 15-20mph paceline rides, and for obvious reasons, they
> can't keep up. Nothing against people who don't have the fanciest bikes, but
> if you don't have a bike that can cut it, it's not a great idea to sign up
> for that particular ride. And its just not our group that asks for this. If
> you're a part of NYCC or other organized groups, you sign up for what you
> are physically able to do - A, B, or C class rides. My, myself... If I see a
> ride that has crazy hills, I shy away from it cause I'm not up for Everest
> style rides yet. Its about knowing yourself and being respectful of your
> co-riders, and regardless, everyone is usually willing to help out when
> stuff happens on the rides.
>
> Anyway, this group is about having a good time, enjoying the challenge, and
> meeting some really great people. I encourage those of you who are off-put
> by the emails and have never actually ridden, to try it out and actually do
> a ride. I guarantee at somepoint, you'll come to an understanding behind the
> reasons for the rules and you'll have way too much of a blast to get caught
> up in the langauge of these emails.
>
> Cheers,
> Heshan
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Greg Whalin <[address removed]> wrote:
>>
>> BTW, don't want to be totally negative here.
>>
>> This group went from dead to completely awesome overnight, and it is clear
>> that Garrett is solely responsible for that!? So if you don't hear it enough
>> Garrett, thanks for putting in the crazy amount of work you do to make this
>> thing rock!
>>
>> gw
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Greg Whalin <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Agreed,? this group started as a group of people who like to cycle in the
>>> city and to eat food.? Now you can't do that if you ride a recumbent, use
>>> electric assist (sorry for those of you who actually might need it), don't
>>> have "standard sized" wheels (huh?), don't wear a helmet (not a law in NYC
>>> last I checked), and don't have a bell (useless).? What a seriously bizarre
>>> set of rules?
>>>
>>> Most Americans do NOT have a lawyer on retainer (sorry Erik, I think you
>>> are watching too much Law and Order.? :)) and even most small business do
>>> not have this much legalese attached to them.? This is a community group,
>>> not a government organization.
>>>
>>> My advice, lay off the lawyer talk.? It seriously is very off-putting,
>>> and seems to have very little to actually do w/ riding a bike or eating.
>>>
>>> gw
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:03 AM, erik k. <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello there: i signed up for your group some time ago but have not made
>>>> it to any rides as most of them seem to originate in brooklyn, which i
>>>> don't, and those whose origins are closer to where i am (when in nyc) have
>>>> just not been on days when i could make it, unfortunately...that
>>>> notwithstanding, i have followed the meetup ideas with interest and a little
>>>> envy (of those i want to go on but haven't made it) but recently, i have
>>>> noticed a kind of draconian tilt to the various messages, including this
>>>> latest, which is somewhat intimidating/off-putting...i say this as someone
>>>> who has not been to any events, and thus perhaps could offer the perspective
>>>> of a prospective or new member...i feel somehow that when i finally do make
>>>> it to an event, i will have to go through security, an emissions (or is it
>>>> omissions) inspection, and then someone will examine my fingernails and
>>>> teeth, see if i have washed behind my ears, have accepted jesus and am
>>>> wearing appropriate underwear...
>>>>
>>>> i would like to suggest that, from the vantage point of someone who also
>>>> lives in another country where strip-searches are not de rigeur for entrance
>>>> into an apartment building or two pieces of ID needed to get into the
>>>> dentist's office (the latter is really true in my case in NYC), "liability"
>>>> should not be life's modus operendi, or in other words.."lighten up" eh?:)
>>>>
>>>> That notwithstanding, i have never been a member of the Nazi party..i
>>>> have lived in argentina all my life...does that help?
>>>> I must admit to riding a bicycle that has NO brakes on the frame, just
>>>> the two on my legs, so mea culpa, mea maxima culpa
>>>>
>>>> i have not read your FAQ's because i dont know how to get to them, but i
>>>> would be delighted to, provided that i do not need to consult a solicitor in
>>>> order to interpret them, as unlike most americans, i do not have one on
>>>> permanent retainer.. i promise not to bite, spit on the floor or to make
>>>> gurgling sounds while eating...E.K.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 29 April[masked]:57, Garrett <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Members -
>>>>>
>>>>> We have had an open membership admission policy, meaning anybody can
>>>>> sign up without organizer approval, and we would like to keep it that way.
>>>>> All new members after April are required to fill out all fields in their
>>>>> membership profile and indicate that they have read group FAQ and will abide
>>>>> by group rules before they can join (meaning no one can sign up without
>>>>> doing so any more, period). Obviously not the case of long time members who
>>>>> are already signed up. So in the interest of fairness, I ask all members to
>>>>> revisit your membership profile, fill out all the fields, especially the one
>>>>> to indicate that you have read group FAQ and will abide by rules.
>>>>>
>>>>> The rules are there because of the tiny 1% who are either oblivious or
>>>>> in willful disregard of common sense. So, as an organizer, I can simply
>>>>> remove these members, or try to hammer in the points to everyone to follow
>>>>> the rules, including the 99% of our members who already do honorably and
>>>>> innately, in the hope that the troublesome 1% may see the light and co-exist
>>>>> with 99% of our wonderful members. I have been doing the latter. So I
>>>>> apologize to long time active members who must be wondering why the sudden
>>>>> strict atmosphere of the group. I want to assure you that nothing has
>>>>> changed as far as they are concerned, just the # of us has grown much
>>>>> larger, and with that comes need for clearer understanding and better
>>>>> communication. Consider it growing pains. But we will always be the fun and
>>>>> loose group we always have been, and the rules are laid out in clear letters
>>>>> now to insure that. Any questions or problems, please feel free to talk to
>>>>> me. Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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