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Excessive email complaints

From: Sean
Sent on: Monday, October 24, 2011 4:03 PM
Perhaps some of these conversations, after the initial information has been posted, could take place on the "message board"?

http://www.nycpermaculture.info/messages/boards/

I don't mind personally, though I can say there have been complaints beyond the several already sent to this email list (we regularly have unsubscribes for this reason, some people even showing up to the meetup after unsubscribing anyway, it's just they don't want the excessive email).  This forum, of course, belongs to it's participants, so please take this email for it's ideas, not as requests.

Since shunting off my "permaculture" email into various "folders", I have over 10,000 unread permaculture messages (there are several international email lists), and 20,000 in various other categories thinking I just needed to organize my incoming messages better.  Part of the problem, I think, would be more interests than one individual can handle, at least for me.  Fortunately, this permaculture email address still comes to my inbox for me to be somewhat attentive.

However, I'm sure it's also annoying when it's a topic not everyone in the audience finds palatable.  Permaculture designs should always consider cultural context (something Geoff Lawton goes out of his way to point out if you ever take a PDC with him).  In our case here in NYC, we have lefties here, as well as right wingers and it doesn't matter who is who, never mind the overall vast cultural diversity in this city (maybe take a deep breath and ask what a person means first, before getting over the top).  Consider this a friendly challenge to make your dialog more inclusive of perspectives other than your own, that something may be a manner of expression unfamiliar to yourself, be concise, review your writing for logical fallacies, and bear in mind some people may become overwhelmed to see more than a couple emails on a topic, particularly when someone attempts to hijack an agenda (aka trolling).

On this email list, I have only taken action on a couple of occasions.  First, I'll kick off the usual mindless spam (permaculture, homesteading, sustainable culture, egalitarianism, etc are the topics here, not, for example, phishing scams).  I'll also temporarily block or remove users that need a cooling off period after excessively emailing the list in an abusive manner (put downs, insults, profanity, etc, generally uncaring/mean behavior clogging everyone's inbox).  Those individuals can join again after they cool down (no apology required, just chill).

Otherwise, this list belongs to all of you equally.


-Sean.

From: Derek Denckla <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Monday, October 24,[masked]:46 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture-61] Re: Re: Occupy Wall Street

Folks

If you want to have sidebar convos, please reply to the individual rather than the whole permaculture-61 list.  

Nothing that is said conversationally needs to be broadcast.  Please consider the same regime with posing questions, unless they will be of definite interest to the whole list.  

I fear that myself and others may unsubscribe from the list if the cross talk does not decrease.  That would be a shame because I enjoy the info and the announcements but not the chatter.  

Please take these comments in the collaborative and positive spirit in which they were intended!  Thanks for your understanding.

Derek Denckla

On Oct 24, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Ifa Sango wrote:

Excellent Piece Rob ... Thank you for sharing that.

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Meyer
To: [address removed]
Sent: Mon, 24 Oct[masked]:01:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [permaculture-61] Re: Re: Occupy Wall Street

On the subject of overpopulation:

http://overpopulationisamyth.com/overpopulation-the-making-of-a-myth

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 24, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Ifa Sango <[address removed]> wrote:

Good Start ... I have a few line items that I'm attempting to organize and get consensus on.
I'm concerned about #3.  I don't want this issue of over-population to be a justification for Genocide.
Control of  the Earth's Resources in the hands of a few is the main reason population is "Perceived"  to be
a problem.  Drought and Global Warming effects food supply.  Thereby raising population concerns.
Let's take a hard look at item #3.

Ifa

----- Original Message -----
From: Irfan
To: [address removed]
Sent: Mon, 24 Oct[masked]:51:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [permaculture-61] Re: Re: Occupy Wall Street

The TRUTH about Occupy Wall Street


On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Claudia Joseph <[address removed]> wrote:
Apologies for the split post - CJ
If you wish to participate in re-forming the wording, join that thread.
Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:47 PM, robert jereski <[address removed]> wrote:
can we supplement the original declaration?
http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/

1. overconsumption and destruction of creation (the natural world) on
which we depend (vs. thrift and preservation)
2. Metrics of economic well being based on growth (i.e.
overconsumption (vs. economics being subservient to human and

environmental well-being). For example: free market fundamentalism
whereby the basest human motives (selfishness and greed) are
considered to magically - as if by some invisible hand - lead society
and the planet to some healthy and even noble outcome (vs. responsible

equitable economic planning)
3. overpopulation (vs. concern for future generations)
4. continued extraction and use of hydrocarbons (now including
unconventional oil, coal, and methane (not just oil)) (vs. source-

shifting to renewables and reducing and eliminating the use of
polluting goods and services)
5. displacement of indigenous peoples from their traditional lands to
feed the avarice of governments and greedy corporations (instead of

recognizing the rights of indigenous peoples)

just a start. . .but i think these need to be addressed.


(suggestions forwarded do not fall under the banner of corporate behavior.
How would we unify these  messages?
I have been listening in on the compost and sustainability thread - they need more buckets for compost.   - CJ






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