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Re: [osm-nyc] Boroughs

From: Camille Emefa A.
Sent on: Friday, June 21, 2013 1:30 PM
Skye, 

I like what you did with Farragut Houses and Gowanus. Are you using a certain threshold to decide whether or not to put an area around the limits? I live near Ebbets FIeld and feel like it could do with the same treatment...

C


From: Skye Book <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Friday, June 21,[masked]:36 PM
Subject: Re: [osm-nyc] Boroughs

On Jun 21, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Serge <[address removed]> wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:09:25AM -0400, eric wrote:
>> Hi Serge,
>>
>> I was about to reply on the other list, but this makes more sense here.
>
> Yeah, it became obvious pretty quickly that these hamlets represent a
> variety of different things, so no single method will address them all.
> I think we'll need to handle hamlets one at a time.
>
>> I'm looking at place=hamlet nodes in my area, and around half of them are
>> pretty legitimate neighborhood nodes.
>
> I think in those cases we should reclassify them, then, despite my
> feelings about neighborhoods in OSM.

I'd argue that this is highly relevant information as it pertains to New York or nearly any other metropolis I've been to, where areas change drastically in the course of a few blocks (arts & entertainment, food, crime, etc).  In the eventual removal of this sort of [community curated] data, we grant further legitimacy to places like "RAMBO" where a few people trace a few conveniently placed roads and push it on the community.

I think its worth thinking about.  If we could muster an effort to get these converted to ways marking the boundaries there can start to be a more transparent process around how these less official places are demarcated.

>
>> A few are housing projects, and a fewI just don't understand.
>
> What do you think about housing projects? Are they a neighborhood? Also,
> in those cases, maybe the right thing to do is make them a building, or
> an area (boundry), or maybe a relation.

The Farragut Houses, Gowanus, etc are all pretty huge properties.  What I do when I encounter them is to mark all buildings and put an area around the limits.

http://osm.org/go/Zct5Wli7 (See Gowanus Houses and Wyckoff Gardens)

>
> I think you're right that we can clean up the hamlets and neighborhood
> issues. I still don't think neighborhoods belong in OSM, but I'd rather
> see incremental improvement over nothing.
>
>> For both, it might make sense for us all to get together to talk about
>>
>> 1. How to find these objects.
>> 2. How we really want to represent these objects.
>> (and maybe) 3. Dividing the city into chunks that we would do this specific
>> cleanup on.
>
> Agreed.
>
> - Serge
>
>
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