Re: [secularhumanism-7] Muslims and Christians

From: Mike J
Sent on: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:53 PM
I mean that there is no point as I ascribe to Peter Singer's views on animal rights and so am close to the opposite of a Specieist so it is unlikely we will agree with each other on this subject so, in that sense, there is nothing more to say as neither one of us is likely to agree with the other - on this subject anyways. 
 
Mike Jan

From: Mike J <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Thursday, March 15,[masked]:47:39 PM
Subject: Re: [secularhumanism-7] Muslims and Christians

Ross:  At least you are honest.  As you are a Specieist we have nothing more to say to each other. 
 
Mike Jan

From: Ross Cruikshank <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Thursday, March 15,[masked]:40:05 PM
Subject: RE: [secularhumanism-7] Muslims and Christians

Yes they do. You can go and talk to them and they will tell you that they don't want you to take away their ice cream (or kill them for that matter). Although it is not the same as an adult, you can reason with children and you can hold them responsible for their actions. You can't hold animals responsible.
 
Second of all, even if they couldn't, you are making a slippery slope argument here. Children aren't some entirely separate entity. They are people, and as such are born with rights. As they grow older, they can understand what rights they have. Animals have not done this. There's also a pratical argument here: if we just chucked all the children on the street, then our species would not survive. I am a speciesist, and I make no apologies for that.
 
From: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [secularhumanism-7] Muslims and Christians
To: [address removed]
Date: Thu, 15 Mar[masked]:54:45 -0400

So using your logic children should have no rights as they have not come together as a group to demand them.
 
Mike Jan

From: Ross Cruikshank <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Thursday, March 15,[masked]:33:15 PM
Subject: RE: [secularhumanism-7] Muslims and Christians

I have a minor difference in opinion. Personally, I do not afford animals rights because as of yet, they have not come together to ask for them. So far, every group that has gotten rights has asked for them. If you don't ask for rights then you don't get any. That said, I completely respect a person's decision not to eat meat (or halal meat). If there really is a demand among consumers to be informed about whether they are eating halal meat or not, then I think it should be addressed in the free market and not through government regulations (i.e. get a large group of people together who say they will boycott the meat company if they don't identify the halal).
 
As for communion, I find it hilarious that people believe they are eating the body of Christ. The difference is - Catholics aren't actually eating the body of Christ and hence, are really doing nothing. I'm also not convinced that Catholics actually buy into communion. We all know they're hypocrites. I take it your point is that you want to shame Catholics about their ridiculous beliefs, and not actually ban communion - if so, then I agree.
 
Subject: [secularhumanism-7] Muslims and Christians
From: [address removed]
To: [address removed]
Date: Thu, 15 Mar[masked]:05:50 -0400

Globe and Mail
The Editor,

Good to see the Parti Quebecois is concerned about "inhumane" practices when it comes to halal slaughter of animals for food ("Muslim community calls PQ alarmist over halal meat", Globe, March 15). I hope they draw attention to the similarly icky Christian practice of eating the body of Christ and drinking his blood during communion.

Robin Collins
Ottawa




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