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Re: [pagan-1137] To be Tru

From: Katie
Sent on: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:53 PM
I understand now. Thank you for explaining for me.


From: Melete <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Monday, July 13,[masked]:21:52 AM
Subject: Re: [pagan-1137] To be Tru

Thanks Torvald, I apparently didn't word my response properly either.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:10 AM, Torvald <[address removed]> wrote:
I may not have made a point clear on this. No matter WHAT religious label you identify with, following a more narrow set of virtues should be a part of the definition of you within your religious structure. You are not only trying to define yourself between you and the divinity you seek, but also define yourself among other individuals doing the same thing. The Wiccan rede simply states that you should do whatever you want as long as it hurts no one else. That is a grossly open-ended statement. It puts all responsibility on the individual without helping to define any collective goals that all should strive for together, ultimately allowing a person to act a fool without having the responsibility to adhere to a social structure.
 
The point of the Nine Noble Virtues is to increase the areas of strength in a person's life so they seek to minimize their areas of weakness. Ponder the following definitions contained herein... 
 

Truth - The act of living your life, according to your convictions, openly and completely.  The commitment to honestly discuss your views of life and religion with anyone that should ask you.  The avoidance of being hypocritical.  Speaking the truth as you know it, under all circumstances.

 

Honor  - (esp. personal honor) Honor is an abstract thing.  It involves your reputation, and your personal integrity.  It is possible to have a bad reputation, and be an honorable person.  To be honorable, you should always strive to be fair and just in your dealings. You should always live up to your word, once given.  You should characterize integrity.  If you believe in a thing, you have to stand up for it, if you give lip-service to a cause, you have to take action for it if you ever have an opportunity.

 

Courage - The ability to do that which is unpleasant, hard, or frightening. 

 

Fidelity - Loyalty.  Successfully staying committed to a cause, belief, person, or organization; especially in the face of adversity. 

   

Discipline - The ability to correct yourself without any supervision, so that you remain true to anything which you undertake.  The ability to restrain yourself in public, so that you outwardly remain calm and in control despite internal emotion.  The ability to accept unfortunate circumstances without whining or crying.  The ability to carry out actions entrusted to you, even if you believe there is no longer hope of success or reason to continue.

 

Hospitality - Treating others (especially guests) with courtesy.  Tending to the needs of the guest, including offering your food, drink, and accommodations.

 

Industriousness - The continued effort to produce.

 

Self-Reliance - The ability to survive, and overcome any obstacles without depending on others; especially those outside your family.

 

Perseverance - The ability to stay committed to a cause or course of action until you find a way to accomplish your goals.  This does not mean continuing to expend effort in a fruitless direction, but rather, continuing to find a way to accomplish the ultimate goal.



Torvald 

 



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