I would like to weigh in here, in hopes of diverting us from any potentially divisive or separatist conduct.
This group is about Permaculture. There are three central ethics in permaculture - Earth Care, People Care, and Fair Share/Care for Future Generations.
There are also 12 generally accepted principles, although some people have re-defined those and added/transformed them into a few more or a few less. The principles offered by David Holmgren, one of the two founders of permaculture, are the generally accepted principles, or at least the starting points of whatever principles one might favor.
With that said, permaculture is still a very difficult thing to define for most, because it literally infiltrates every action we may take, in that we look at the consequence or outcome of every action, and whether or not it meshes with the Three Ethics. It becomes a creed, if you will.
This is a good opportunity for me to make a side note here about something that I've been noticing for a while now.
Since memes such as "conspiracy theories" and "preppers" and "survivalism", etc. have transitioned into popular culture in the past 5-10 years and risen to the surface, I have noticed that these topics are being mistakenly equated with, or hitched to permaculture.
I think it's because permaculture, by working WITH and AS nature, provides a certain opportunity for sustainable/regenerative production and infrastructure that can be used to detach ourselves from the current model. This desire for an alternative is what I think brings those memes and permaculture together in people's minds. One of the differences, I think, is whether one is looking for that alternative to be the baseline infrastructure, or a back-up.
Another difference is that the "lone wolf" idea of self-sufficiency, in spirit, generally pulls more from the idea of abundance as having come from the work and perhaps cleverness of an individual, homestead, household, or other exclusive people-centered or people-generated entity. Permaculture also employs work and solution-solving, but has more of a view of nature itself as the source of abundance, and is definitely an inclusive view. The goal is to understand nature as an operating system a little better, and use it to our humble advantage, while protecting it, ourselves, and future generations. It's more of a circular, relational view than what is generally held by the masses, I guess.
And that understanding absolutely, in my opinion, requires introspection, reflection,
observation, critical thinking and awareness, in order to produce any outcome that is in line
with the three ethics. Throwing all the jargon aside, it's acting with a conscience based in the ethics, in ALL things.So...
when Melissa shares something like what she's been posting recently about Facebook, Smart Meters etc., I think her goal is not really to excite or divide (fear-based), but to stimulate reflection and critical thinking so that we can better recognize when things are not in alignment with our worldview, as permaculturists.
We have all types of people on this list, at different places in their
understanding of permaculture, and at different places in their own
development of a worldview, perhaps, so the likelihood that we all will draw the same conclusions is going to be flexible. I also recognize that I know Melissa personally, and so have a baseline reference point for what I think she may have meant, based on my experience with her.
Others may not, so I think it is important to maybe tweak our approach to posting things to this list.
First, I would like to point out that one of the benefits of releasing an idea or article "into the wild" as it were,is that it has brought some good points to the surface.
Jerry's thoughts on consumption and entitlement are not off-base, in my opinion. And I've seen this happen with other posts as well, and I don't think any idea should ever be finite, as it puts a brake on learning.
But I'd also like to mention that it might be helpful to remember that we are all people who currently live within an infrastructure that I feel promotes division, opinion over discussion, and righteousness. It's hard not to have knee-jerk reactions or pass judgement, and it's also hard not to assume that others are as well. I know I struggle with this every day. It's everywhere.
Perhaps in the future, we could all make an effort to make sure that when we post, we are clearly
offering up our ideas or an article, etc. for discussion and review
A good way to do this is to welcome feedback and to invite other's observations. Otherwise, just posting something can be taken as an edict, or even a challenge.
Permaculture is not competitive. It is cooperative. Perhaps we could try to be more mindful of how others may perceive our actions, and take responsibility for that by encouraging their input. Anything after that can be politely debated, and we can always respectfully agree to disagree.
I, for one, would really like to see this conversation be empowering to everyone. So I would love to hear other's thoughts on what I've written here, and invite any and all feedback.
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Subject: Re: [penn-permaculture] Fwd: Woman Arrested While Refusing Smart Meter Installation on Her Property Tells Us Her Story
Date: Fri, 25 Jan[masked]:54:42 -0500
Ms. Stahl should simply opt out of the
convenience of electricity. Nowhere on this group's website is
there anything about the need to reduce consumption, but rather
falls into the very broad group of conspiracy theorist denials
about the crisis we face as the US empire begins to accelerate its
decline, with effects on the living standards of greater and
greater numbers of people.
Since when are we entitled to consume energy, electricity or any
other kind, without regard for its impact on any other living
thing on the planet? This is the right Ms. Stahl et al are trying
to reestablish. Nothing it seems to me, could be farther from our
values as permaculture activists. Smart meters may or may not be
effective in changing energy consumption habits. They are a side
show, and the high tech needed to support them is going to become
impossibly expensive relatively soon.
We need to confront, challenge, and re-direct these hysterical
narratives whenever we can, not promote them as legitimate
responses to the current social crisis, which is borne of our
assault on our biospheric life support.
Please note Wikipedia data below on Naperville (in quotes, not to
be confused with my commentary)-- an elite, wealthy, white, high
end corporate town on the (ex)-prairie w. of Chicago. Been
through it many times.
The data on the negative health effects of cell phones is serious
and credible, more so to me than any radio waves from the smart
meter. I wonder if Ms. Stahl and all her friends are cell phone
is a city in DuPage
counties in the U.S. state
it was voted the second-best place to live in the United States by
magazine in 2006.
a 2010 study, Naperville was named the wealthiest city in the
Midwest and eleventh in the nation with a population over 75,000.
As of the 2010 census
, the city had
a total population of 141,857. It is the fifth-largest city in the
state, behind Chicago
, neighboring Aurora
, and Joliet
. Approximately 100,000
Napervillians live in DuPage County, while about 45,000 reside in
Will County. Once a quaint farming town, Naperville has evolved
into an affluent city with numerous corporate headquarters located
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