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Re: [penn-permaculture] Refrigeration Without Electricity

From: Joy
Sent on: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:29 AM
Hi all,

Try these links for old-style evaporative refrigerators:
http://en.wikiped...­
http://youtu.be/f...­
http://forest.mtu...­
http://nz.lifesty...­  (can be adapted make a "Coolgardie")


Also look here (scroll down the page) for radiant cooling, or using your solar cooker to make ice at night:
http://www.provid...­


~Joy

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From: "Amy Nahabedian" <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Date: Wed, 24 Apr[masked]:12:00 -0400
Subject: Re: [penn-permaculture] Refrigeration Without Electricity

> Hi Fred & all!
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> I think you'll find that getting this to work well is going to be hard in our area, because things tend to run too humid.  It's the same reason people run swamp coolers in New Mexico, but no one around here has even heard of one.  Butbutbut- there is another improvement that can be made that will reduce energy consumption dramatically.  If you can talk your family into it, you can move to the chest fridge instead of the upright number.  When you open the top the cold doesn't fall out.  To make one easy peasey style, buy a thermostat that plugs into the wall, like the T130P on this page:http://www.little...­, set it for 40 degrees and plug a chest freezer into it.  When it gets that cold the thermostat turns off the power.  When it warms up, it turns it back on again.  If you want a more elegant solution, you can adjust the thermostat on the chest freezer itself.  For that, you'll need to google up some instructions.  Try looking for instructions on how to make a "kegerator".  We're getting ready to make the switch our selves.  The two biggest electricity sucks (besides heating and cooling) in the normal house are the fridge and the dryer, so with a clothes line and a thermostat you're making a big difference!
> 
> If you do try the other kind and you get it to work around here, let us know how.  It'd be a great science fair experiment.  Honestly though, I think if you're looking for non-electric cooling you'd get better results looking at how local people did it in times past- which around here means spring houses and root cellars and iceboxes.
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> Anybody else know someone who has solved this problem well?
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> Excited to hear what's worked for others...
> Amy
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> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Fred Kittelmann <[address removed]> wrote:
> I hope to build one of these someday.  I'll still use an electric fridge, but putting everything in pre-chilled ought to save much on electricity.  Also having it indoors in the winter, the heat sucked out of whatever you're cooling goes into the house.  My design would replace the inner clay pot with a metal container.  That'd be more efficient.
> Fred
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> Subject: [penn-permaculture] Refrigeration Without Electricity
> Date: Thu, 18 Apr[masked]:56:39 -0400
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