Virtues and Vices: Can we agree on what is good and what is bad?

  • December 4, 2012 · 7:00 PM
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In this meeting we will continue our discussion of values by listing virtues and vices that we can all affirm as such. We will try to answer questions such as: What is the good and what is the bad? How do we know what is right and what is wrong? Special attention may be given to the virtue of tolerance. What is tolerance and what does it imply? If you would like to produce a handout that relates to this topic from any perspective, you will be given an opportunity of 5-10 minutes to share your perspective, and we will discuss it. Let me know ahead of time what you would like to share (not the details). Thanks!

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  • A former member
    A former member

    12 person discussion

    2 min - intro, philosophical orientation, brief view on topic. (Model this.)

    Formal presentation of views:
    5 min - from presenter
    1 min - comment from everyone
    5 min - Presenter addresses major themes occurring in people's comments.
    (Repeat this for how many presenters there are.)
    If presenter finds it challenging to stay in the 5 or 8 minute timeframe, they should practice presenting their view in that amount of time. Open discussion with each comment under 5 minutes. (This part is key. There was none of this this evening. This is where we can all learn the most.)

    Idea and number of minutes for each thing is open to discussion.

    Do other people think this sort of thing is called for? Solution for person trying to honor the time and people not regarding the time? Friendly notice of times up?

    December 4, 2012

    • Krystyn

      Yes, giving everyone a chance to express their opinion is important, but may I suggest limiting the number of presentations to one or two instead of using a timer? Then we may have more of an in-depth discussion.

      December 8, 2012

  • Krystyn

    Mark, I'm not sure if you want me to upload my notes or not, as they were not part of the meeting. Also, I am not sure how to email them to you either, sorry!

    December 6, 2012

    • Mark B.

      Yes, I would like your notes! You can email them to me at [masked]

      December 6, 2012

  • Mark B.

    I enjoyed having everyone over last night! If you came and had a handout, could you email that to me, so that I can upload it to this site? (unless you upload it yourself)

    December 5, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    Well, I was on I-71 for a little over an hour and only traveled just under 10 miles. I had no idea traffic would be that bad getting from Mason to Downtown. I won't be able to attend afterall. I am so sorry to miss this! I'm sorry I reserved a space and am unable to get there.

    December 4, 2012

    • Sue

      Hope to see you next time!

      December 5, 2012

    • Mark B.

      Sorry you couldn't come! Traffic seemed to be unusually bad last night.

      December 5, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    If we set a time on early conversation, we should honor that guideline we set for ourselves. It seems like a smaller group like 11, 12 would be better.

    December 4, 2012

    • Sue

      Actually, I think there were 12 people! And we had a higher percentage of people show than usual!

      December 5, 2012

  • Sue

    Enjoyed the discussion!

    1 · December 5, 2012

  • Krystyn

    The subject was a good springboard for a wider discussion.

    1 · December 4, 2012

  • Pateresa J.

    I feel like we had a good, thoughtful discussion about the topic. There seemed to be two types of thoughts, one religious and one more societal. I found the discussion very interesting and felt the group allowed each person to discuss his and her thoughts. If only everybody could express themselves like we were able to this evening the world would be a better place. Thanks for the experience everyone!

    1 · December 4, 2012

  • Eric

    No, I don't think we can agree. But the talk was interesting and fun.

    December 4, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    I'll not be bringing any notes but I will say that I've often thought about virtues and vices from both a Christian and non-Christian perspective since I've been both. I'm looking forward to this discussion!

    December 4, 2012

    • Mark B.

      And I look forward to hearing your perspective!

      December 4, 2012

  • Pateresa J.

    How do you know if you are off the waiting list and are allowed to attend?

    December 4, 2012

    • Mark B.

      I believe you are sent an email notification when someone drops and you are added. It is automatic. It appears you are next on the list.

      December 4, 2012

  • Krystyn

    I will bring some brief notes on "vice in virtue and virtue in vice."

    December 3, 2012

    • Mark B.

      Ok. Good! I like enough copies for everyone.

      December 4, 2012

  • Frank T.

    I can't make it. I have finals next week. :(

    December 3, 2012

  • Sue

    I am never at a loss for opinions, so I would be willing to make a short presentation - I suppose the perspective would be "nature vs. nurture."

    December 3, 2012

    • Mark B.

      Sounds good! I wanted us to get into that discussion.

      December 3, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    What tools are used in discussing philosophical questions? Defining terms, use of logic standards.

    1 · November 28, 2012

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