Left or Right ? How did we (really) choose?

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  • Has each one of us arrived at our political orientation through a dispassionate intellectual analysis of merits of each side of today's divisive issues ? Or are we to some degree "tribal" in how we select which information to believe or distrust ?

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  • Casey W.

    "We must defend our rights" = awesome/paradox of freedom/authority. I was born in Santa Cruz, California and after a long and careful calculation, I've decided that conservatives are dumb! Just kidding! haha. I've decided I was surrounded by unexamined progressive theology and shamed if I questioned the orthodoxy! I became a closeted Straussian and let others maintain the noble lie: America tolerates diversity! good topic! I'm new here.

    1 · September 15

    • Raymond

      It has long amazed me how often the socialists call us conservatives stupid, when it is the socialists who have been demonstrated to be wrong over and over again.

      1 · September 15

  • A former member
    A former member

    Boring. The right is merely a perverse political front for the upper class to exploit the working class under the guise of being the preferred party of Jaaaayzuss. There. Conversation over. Next subject.

    1 · April 5, 2011

    • Raymond

      Boring. The Left is merely a perverse political front for the Limosuine Liberal class to exploit the average, unsuspecting American under the guise of being the preferred party of the compassionate. There. Conversation over. Next topic.

      2 · October 14, 2013

    • Raymond

      Yay! It took almost a year, but somebody finally read my comment! :-)

      1 · September 15

  • A former member
    A former member

    Seems like required reading might include The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt.

    As always, we get the government we deserve. How do we deserve more?

    1 · November 3, 2013

    • Raymond

      Of course you did. I am not aware of any place in the Five Books of Moses where slavery is condoned. The closest thing to that, is the concept of the indentured servant, which is allowing somebody who is in debt but has no money to pay it off, to instead pay that off through his labor. But at all times, this indentured servant is to be treated with dignity and respect. As for people with different beliefs getting eternal torment, I have never heard of that in my entire life, and I have read the Five Books of Moses dozens of times.

      1 · November 17, 2013

    • Brent M.

      From the bible: "However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)"

      August 11

  • Wes A.

    I doubt that the founder, Brian would try to supress any views - politically correct or not. But we should ask him. My point below merely is intended to avoid the use of shouting and name calling. In other words it is okay to say, "Wes you are a libertarian and you believe in climate change. Why don't you think that's a conflict. But it would NOT be okay to say, for examplem "Wes, you f88ing idiot your a libertarian and you're so screwed up that believe in climate change.

    2 · November 17, 2013

    • Raymond

      LOL well of course I agree with what you are saying here. :-)

      1 · November 17, 2013

  • Wes A.

    Until now, I didn't even know there was a discussion string associated with Brian's Group. Thank you for this great service. I've participated in two other such forums before, and both turned steadily nastier, with name calling, impoliteness, generall bad manners. If a Code of Conduct does not exist yetl I hope one will be established. I would volunteer to write it if Brian wishes me to do so.

    Wes Alderson[masked]

    November 17, 2013

    • Raymond

      I hope that politically incorrect views are allowed to be expressed in this group.

      1 · November 17, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    The real truth is that we can't handle the truth. How else can a so called representative democracy let their outdated impotent Constitutional Article 5 stand. I welcome a dialog of real individual reason and common sense for possible solutions.

    September 2, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Article 5 of the US Constitution allows us to change the document on which our government is founded. I for one am glad it is still in place. Without the strict requirements for ammending the Constitution, the self centered idiots in Washington could make permanent changes that affect us all during a time of either conservative or liberal strength.

      1 · November 3, 2013

    • Raymond

      I like Roy Wilhite's sense of caution very much. He is in the tradition of the great 18th century British parliamentarian, Edmund Burke, who allowed for change, but recognized that change is best made very slowly and with a whole lot of caution.

      1 · November 16, 2013

  • Brent M.

    I believe it was Colbert who said "reality has a liberal bias" and I think he got it right. If we look at how humanity is evolving in terms of right and wrong (e.g. slavery, women's & LGBT rights, being able to rise above the caste one was born in, etc.) liberalism in general over and over has overcome conservative objections, sure with fits and starts but the path is on average in a particular direction, a better world.

    November 16, 2013

    • Raymond

      If that is what Colbert said, then he was completely wrong. Left-wing pet causes have been demonstrated to be wrong one after another, while traditional Biblical values have endured, and will continue to do so.

      1 · November 16, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I believe in true independent reason in constitutional reform. When you label opposite views of your own rather than searching for the understanding of them you limit the amount you can agree on in a democracy. In deed there should be a public discourse today on each word and sentence of our Constitution by the People for the People. Let's start with the words people, persons and personhood. As a Vietnam Veteran I know I am human.

    November 10, 2013

  • Elizabeth

    What about Independents?

    April 16, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      There is no Left or Right! There is Conservative and Liberal. The reference comes as to your view of altering the US Constitution. Conservatives do NOT want the Constitution ammended unless current law is unjust. ie Womens right to vote, or Anti-slavery! Liberals want to be able to change the Constitution as they see fit! As in Autocratic government. ie Prohibition! Prohibition was wrong, the majority never wanted it, but the governmeent forced it because of political pressure. It was then overturned and we had to create another ammendment to correct the mistake. There are no Independents! Independent from the republican or democrat party is a realistic concept. Our bi-partisan concept is not what the founding fathers envisioned in the first place. But you can't be independent of Constitutional interpretation. You are either conservative or liberal. This is not an attack against Elizabeth or anyone else. This is the information that should be shared in a group of critical thinkers.

      November 3, 2013

  • Peter K.

    I will probably be stuck down at the Los Angeles Times Festival of Books via Cyclavia . . . so probably won't make it to this Sunday's meetup.

    1 · April 15, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Definitely pertinent! I am sure that it will engage everyone and stir up an interesting discussion. I love this idea!

    November 18, 2010

  • Brian

    I also think this is an excellent topic...though we discussed this issue a year or so ago. So, I think we should take a different angle on it next time we talk about it.

    September 20, 2010

  • A former member
    A former member

    Excellent topic. I've often thought that we each possess both right and left but have become unconscious of one or the other, in our inability to see ourselves in others. A tribal identification that is false.

    August 28, 2010

  • Arlene S.

    I believe this is a really good idea.
    Arlene Simone

    1 · August 28, 2010

  • Fay L.

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    1 · August 28, 2010

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