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Re: [intlrel-62] Such a pity, ALL think they have to re-create the wheel.

From: user 1.
Sent on: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:12 PM
There was no cogent reasoning to EVER topple Iraq..even by Mr. Blair.  Why do you think he left so precipitously after that debacle?
Why don't you translate that Latin for us hoi polloi ??

Patrick Sullivan <[address removed]> wrote:
I think this author, and his book, is really silly.
Does he have an alternative system BETTER THAN DEMOCRACY?
Do you know what Winston Churchill said about Democracy?
Do you know what Milton Friedman predicted FOR democracy to evolve, PROPERLY?

Why do so many take this BUSH at his word about 'establishing democracy?'
If this BUSH gets his way, his stupidity has castrated much hope for democracy in Iraq.

One potential result of the breakdown of the old alliances may be more democracy, but that is despite Bush, pls don't so set his ideas up as the straq man.  His ideas never had any logical validity.  Tony Blair explained reason to topple Saddam, Bush was not even capable of uttering 2 sentences to articulate valid reason.  Democrats acquiesced to his rationale HOPING they would profit from failure in Iraq.  I consider that treasonous.


Regards,
Patrick 

Da mihi castitatem et continentiam, sed noli modo - Aug, Conf


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De: Dyutiman Das <[address removed]>
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Enviado: mi?rcoles, 6 de febrero,[masked]:48:10
Asunto: [intlrel-62] New Meeting: Book Club: Future of Freedom by Fareed Zacharia

Announcing a new meeting for New York City International Affairs Club!

What: Book Club: Future of Freedom by Fareed Zacharia

When: Tuesday, March 4, 7:15 PM

Meeting fee: USD1.00 per person

Where: Click the link below to find out!

Meeting Description: Our next book

The Future of Freedom by Fareed Zacharia

A few notes, those who are really interested please sign up early. I'd like to keep the numbers managable and prefer people who won't show up not saying yes.

Do continue to send more suggestions, this is really helpful. A few books that I have selected, please check out Amazon
1. Jared Diamond, Collapse and Three Chimpanzies
2. Jon Meacham, American Gospel
3. Daniel Yergin, The Prize: Epic Quest for Oil, Money and Power
4. Jeremy Rifkin, The European Dream

Now for some details about Zacharia's book. This was suggested by Mark Nazimova. From Mark's email

" From what I read of it so far, it's an engaging book, well-reasoned (regardless of whether one agrees with all of Zacharia's perceptions and prescriptions), and relates directly to many current international situations (in fact, it refers to several ongoing ones, which presents a good opportunity to evaluate Zacharia's theses).

Here's the pr?cis from Publishers Weekly:

Democracy is not inherently good, Zakaria (From Wealth to Power) tells us in his thought-provoking and timely second book. It works in some situations and not others, and needs strong limits to function properly. The editor of Newsweek International and former managing editor of Foreign Affairs takes us on a tour of democracy's deficiencies, beginning with the reminder that in 1933 Germans elected the Nazis. While most Western governments are both democratic and liberal-i.e., characterized by the rule of law, a separation of powers, and the protection of basic rights-the two don't necessarily go hand in hand. Zakaria praises countries like Singapore, Chile and Mexico for liberalizing their economies first and then their political systems, and compares them to other Third World countries "that proclaimed themselves democracies immediately after their independence, while they were poor and unstable, became dictatorships within a decade." But Zacharia contends that something has also gone wrong with democracy in America, which has descended into "a simple-minded populism that values popularity and openness." The solution, Zakaria says, is more appointed bodies, like the World Trade Organization and the U.S. Supreme Court, which are effective precisely because they are insulated from political pressures. Zakaria provides a much-needed intellectual framework for many current foreign policy dilemmas, arguing that the United States should support a liberalizing dictator like Pakistan's Pervez Musharraf, be wary of an elected "thug" like Venezuela's Hugo Chavez and take care to remake Afghanistan and Iraq into societies that are not merely democratic but free.

I can't vouch for all of that, not having finished the book, but based on what I have read I can say that he emphasizes the inadequacy of simply being democratic, abhors the many instances of foreign policies that seem to push for just that, and focus on the importance of a government also being liberal (in the original sense)-- e.g., being limited by a constitution, separation of powers, and the protection of individual and minority rights.

The Foreign Affairs article from which the book seems to have grown, The Rise of Illiberal Democracy, is available for free here

Learn more here:
http://intlrel.meetup.com/62/calendar/7280789/




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