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Re: [qldjvm] Re: Java Team Lead Opportunity

From: Warwick H.
Sent on: Thursday, December 15, 2011 10:14 AM
Sounds OK to me. 

Even if I am not looking for a job I find it interesting to know, who is hiring and what are the area of skills they seek. It can be a really interesting insight into a company and how its products are built.


On 15 December[masked]:06, Anthony Berglas <[address removed]> wrote:
Hello All,

As you may know Lachlan Scott of Robert Half recruiting recently sponsored one of our evening meetings with the all important beer and pizza.  He has some good opportunities that he would like to present to the group.

It is good to get sponsorship outside of Oracle.  But of course, the last thing that we want is to spam this mailing list with lots of recruiter noise.

My feeling is that we should provide very limited access to the list.  I am thinking that recruiters that sponsor an event can advertise at most six jobs on this list.  They must be legitimate jobs, should be targeted at Java technologies, and be interesting in some way, and must contain the string "[jobs]" (say) in their subject for those wishing to filter.  If we use recruiters for about 3 events per year, this should produce very little traffic.

What do people think?



On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Steve Dalton <[address removed]> wrote:
I suggest we ask the group and see what they think. Personally I don't mind a few posts - but I know what happens, once one recruiter sees someone doing it - you'll have all the recruiters on there. The sponsorship thing is possibly a good idea.

There are a lot of Java jobs around and I think the recruiters are struggling to find people - especially since a lot of people (like me) are now bypassing recruiters completely.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:56 AM, anthony berglas <[address removed]> wrote:
Hello Steve,

I got a call from Lachlan, the recruiter that sponsored the Java talk recently.  He was wanted to know whether I was available for a job (not at the moment) and possibly whether he could spread the word through QJVM.  My feeling is that we need some sort of policy on the use of the JUG mailing list.

Certainly we do not want to spam the list with recruiter junk.  But individual members have from time to time announced jobs where they work, which I think is fine.  We also do not want to be overly beholden to Oracle for sponsorship, and recruiters are a good source.  (And beer does lubricate an evening.)  I personally do not mind flicking through a trickle of relevant ads, as it lets me know what the market is doing.

My feeling is that we should do something simple, like let (only) recruiters that sponsor an event post four? listings to the group.  They must be legitimate jobs, should be targeted at Java technologies, and be interesting in some way.  (And if people object, then we can of course change the policy.)

What do you think?


PS.  Lachlan would be happy to sponsor another event next year.  If we do 10 nights in a year, and 3 of them are sponsored by recruiters, then that makes 12 job adds total.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Scott, Lachlan (AUS) <[address removed]>
Date: Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 2:14 PM
Subject: Java Team Lead Opportunity
To: [address removed]

Hi Anthony,


Thanks for your time earlier today.  As discussed I currently have a Team Lead position within the Java space located in the Brisbane CBD.  This position is leading a team of up to 14 people and the client is very well known throughout Australia.  The role will pay up to 105k plus super.  If you do decide to release these details to your members please let me know and I will try to put something together for your that is short and sharp. 


Points to consider regarding approaching members of the group:


This may be a good opportunity to gauge the groups interest around hearing about opportunities … at least it is a senior role with an excellent client and a rare opportunity to lead such a large group. 


As you suggested it might be a good opportunity to write a disclaimer saying that this is just a trial and to let you know if people are not interested in career opportunities through the group. 


It should be expressed that this is not just a fishing expedition to gather resumes just legitimate jobs currently in the market … one of your criteria for running jobs might be that the job has been qualified as a legitimate opportunity with yourself first were as roles on seek etc are harder to verify. 


It would not hurt to limit job ads to people who have sponsored and become involved with the group previously. 


Let me know if there is any further information that could assist?




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