Re: [rlccef] : Nullify Now Jacksonville - End the Fed

From: user 8.
Sent on: Saturday, September 17, 2011 7:27 AM
Scott, I was reading an article the other day about the euro and how some countries are going to give up the euro, which stated the "Euro break-up"  It said that if Germany, were to leave the euro, the consequences would include corporate, default, recapitalization of the banking system and the collapse of international trade. 
there are some countries now that almost seem like they are on the teetering of abandoning the euro. I know Germany is a strong country, but if they abandon the euro we are SOL. 
Do you know what it is like trying to tell close friends and even my own family of the pending doom that may come? No one believes me. No one believes me when I tell them to store food, have materials ready as if you were planning for a disaster? No one believes or they just look the other day.
Changing the subject, what you said about gold not losing its values. I have often thought, that if hyperinflation comes, what ever mutual funds or Ira's...or anything in the stock market, if hyperinflation means  that if even though we have a retirement plan, it could take a whole lot of money just to buy a loaf of bread (example) so your money that you live on isn't worth what you have to buy things when America tanks out?
I hope you understand that...it is more of a question maybe you could answer. Simply put, mutual funds, Ira's , and whatever else, will have a lesser dollar devalue?

From: Scott Ellis <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Friday, September 16,[masked]:09 PM
Subject: Re: [rlccef] : Nullify Now Jacksonville - End the Fed


Gold has real value.  It cannot be grossly inflated.  It can only be inflated through discovery, and the last major gold inflation was courtesy the Incas and Aztecs.  You had minor gold inflation in 1849 in California and 1890's in South Africa and Alaska, but gold production anymore is laborious, the easy pickings are done.

My point is I do not believe in any monetary policy, period.  Monetary 'policy' means government manipulation.  100% gold cannot be manipulated.

A 'basket of commodities' to me is like a paper currency made of several different government, also known as a Euro, and watch that tank in a few months.


Abolishing the Fed and replacing it with US dollars denominated in gold (and the gold has to be in hand or in coin) is the first step.

Anything else is just fiat paper, simply replacing green toilet paper with red toilet paper.

Scott

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From: Peter Fusscas <[address removed]>
Reply-To: [address removed]
Date:  Fri, 16 Sep[masked]:04:00 -0400

Yes it would
  But would an ever fluctuating global demand and supply for gold
outside our control make for an independent monetary policy?
Ron Paul has backed off on a gold standard preferring a "basket" of
commodities of which gold is one.
Wouldn't  limiting the scope and authority of the Fed be a necessary
first step in any public policy decision?
Peter


On 9/16/2011 6:28 AM, Scott Ellis wrote:
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> A gold standard sets a monetary policy totally independent of politicians and government.
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> From: Peter Fusscas<[address removed]>
> Reply-To: [address removed]
> Date:  Thu, 15 Sep[masked]:47:24 -0400
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> The Feds job is not to stimulate the economy or save foreign banks from
> insolvency. It is to stabilize prices and the value of the currency.
> It's scope was greatly expanded and now needs to be limited.
> History is replete with politicians politicizing the currency and having
> the counties fail. We don't need that.
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> In modern times see Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Zimbabwe,
> You need an independent Fed limited in scope but outside the greedy paws
> of the politicians..
> Peter
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> On 9/15/[masked]:09 AM, Stuart Grant wrote:
>> Peter, in light of the Feds first two quantitative easing programs and the third one going on below the radar, can you explain in what way the Fed is independent?  Seems to me it's independence is only from the interests of the taxpayers whose spending power it is debasing to prop up the interests of a few.
>> This is the independence of thief, not of a public service provider.
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>> On Sep 15, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Peter Fusscas<[address removed]>  wrote:
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>>> Bob
>>> To be honest. I am not for eliminating the Fed only limiting their power and scope and  providing transparency.
>>> I sure in hell don't want politicians and "Big government" setting monetary policy. Bad now, fatal then.
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>>> Peter
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>>> On 9/15/2011 8:10 AM, Bob White wrote:
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