RE: [rlccef] RE: Failing to Understand the Depth of the Federal Reach

From: Scott E.
Sent on: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 12:38 PM

You have hit a nerve, Frank, by creating your own straw man masquerading as Scott Ellis and then proceeding to attack the words you, not I, have written.

I already told you before I do not speak for everyone else.

Local pensions are bankrupting cities, then counties, and maybe states.  They will not bankrupt the Federal Government and its printing presses.  I am quite sure as a percentage of expenditures federal pensions for federal retirees are an infinitesimal percentage of federal spending.  Social Security and MediCare are heading south but they are not true pension programs.

I never claimed to be any kind of guru.  Period. 

I will say I do know free market economics and do not require you to preach to me.  Yes, you are preaching.  You are like someone who just quit smoking going on a crusade against smokers and non-smokers. 

I repeat one last time.   EVERYONE has had their standard of living raised by a massive deluge of debt.  EVERYONE will have their standard of living dropped when the debt enrichment machine ceases to function.  Obviously some have benefited more than others from the extra $2 trillion a year of government and private debt.  That’s not my point. 

When the free money music stops nobody is going to find a chair.

 

 

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Frank Zilaitis
Sent: Tuesday, August 28,[masked]:14 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [rlccef] RE: Failing to Understand the Depth of the Federal Reach

 

Scott,


I seem to have hit a nerve.  No preaching here.  I have learned a lot from you and appreciate it very much.  I fully agree with your assessment of the debt-based economy.  If you check my post to Sean, you will see that I am asking a lot of questions:  The big one is this: Will your compatriots in constitutional offices at least refuse pensions as you are doing?  You seem to have forgotten about your lecture on how pensions, among other things, are major factors in bankrupting municipal governments.  You can also see the giant pension liability problem in the federal government if you read, for example, the Annual Financial Report of the United States Government.

 

Will you, in your role as intellectual guru (according to Florida Today), take the lead in doing something to roll back the theft otherwise know as government pensions?  We must start somewhere Scott.  You seem to have taken the first step via your own refusal of a public pension and I think that is awesome.

 

Finally, please do not misconstrue my observations of reality as preaching or personal attacks; and the comment about the Hypocrite Hunter's Club goes back to my radio days and the wonderful conversations we had with Dave Pendley and others about hypocrisy.

 

Peace Brother Scott. :)

 

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Scott Ellis <[address removed]> wrote:

No, Frank, you don’t get it and after 30+ years of studying Austrian economics I do not need a lecture.

 

The ENTIRE world economy is debt based.  NOTHING is not now being subsidized by the massive debt being rung up by government at all levels and the private sectors.

 

When the debt merry go round ends you will then discover what I mean.  Whether it ends with mass inflation (likely) or mass deflation (possibly) NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON in this nation will be unaffected and I don’t care what your job is.

 

You are not asking questions.  There is no question in your commentary.

 

If you think the major financial issue facing this country is pensions your head is very deep in the sand.  Local governments are going bankrupt but they don’t take the currency with them.

 

Re-reading your e-mail you act as if you and you alone fail to benefit from the massive debt spree.  Everyone has benefited, whether they desired to or not.  I have had this discussion with numbers of small businessmen and employees of private companies who completely fail to take into account much of what their customers spend is income from a debt based economy, and when the ability to borrow goes away, so does the income.  Failure to comprehend the intense depth and reach of an economy driven by trillions in annual borrowing leaves one exposed to the final breakdown of said economy over the next decade.

 

I will not get personal over the Hypocrite Hunter’s Club.  I will say I’m glad you are discovering free market economics but no one appreciates a self appointed zealot preacher.

 

Scott

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Frank Zilaitis
Sent: Tuesday, August 28,[masked]:41 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Failing to Understand the Depth of the Federal Reach

 

Scott,

 

Not sure about the reference to "failing to understand the depth of the federal reach."  Your comment almost seems like you are justifying theft.  The $2 Trillion of federal deficit spending is a false (and inflation-based) economy.  The bottom line literally, fiscally and figuratively is that we must stop theft.  Laissez-faire capitalism requires minimum government.  I am a bit surprised at you right now.  You are getting back onto the public dole (but you have at least refused the pension) and you recently stated that it is up to the next Sheriff, Property Appraiser and other most likely newly elected Republicans to follow their consciences regarding whether they will accept pensions.  I am troubled by such a tepid suggestion unless, to borrow a phrase from you, the ring is fitting you perfectly.  A mailer or two recently came out in the property appraiser's race stating or suggesting Jim Ford was a double dipper or even a triple dipper.  Is Wayne Ivey not an FDLE retireee?  Do we bury our heads in the sand or do liberty-minded folks actually call the question - Will Wayne Ivey be a double dipper if he is elected Sheriff?  How about 20 year Property Appraiser's office former employee Dana Blickley?

 

Wow, rereading my e-mail, it looks to me like the Hypocrite Hunter's Club might will have a bountiful hunting season.

 

Just asking some questions to my intellectual guru here in Brevard County Brother Scott. :)

 

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Scott Ellis <[address removed]> wrote:

You fail to understand the depth of the Federal reach on income and expenditures.  There is not one single job left not impacted by Federal spending.  None.  The whole country, public and private sector, has been living off $2 trillion a year in debt – Federal, State, local, private, non-governmental debts, an entire standard of living for every single job in America based on massive debt.

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Frank Zilaitis
Sent: Tuesday, August 28,[masked]:07 AM


To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [rlccef] If a Rules Change Occurs as Described in this Article, I Will Vehemently Work Against Mitt Romney.

 

If Romney and thugs are all we have Roger, I want to see President Obama re-elected so we can accelerate, not prolong, the economic and fiscal implosion.  I am fully confident in my own abilities to live free or die in accordance with laissez-faire capitalism.  Not sure about the rest of the folks on the government dole in the form of congressmen (with health insurance and pension plans for which I am forced to pay in addition to my own outlays for such items), Social Security recipients and Medicare recipients (for whom I am forced to pay via theft otherwise known as payroll deduction, Medicaid recipients (whose benefits for which I am forced to pay are the result of a tag team effort of state government theft motivated by a federal government match of that theft), state employees (with health insurance and pension plans for which I am forced to pay in addition to my own outlays for such items).  The folks on the government dole. . . Did I just call out 75 percent of the folks in Brevard County?  Oooops. 

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Roger Gangitano <[address removed]> wrote:

Frank,

No question this is a disturbing turn of events. I agree this effort to change the rules should be opposed. However, I am not sure how this should influence the vote. I still believe the winner in this election will be either one of two candidates; Obama or Romney. I do not believe any other person can, or will, emerge the winner unless there is a very unexpected  event causing a change in the participants. That being said, WHO DO YOU THINK CAN BEAT OBAMA IN THIS ELECTION?

 

I keep asking that question, and the only answers I get are: 

1) Look at Romney's voting record

2) I'll vote for the Constitutional Candidate of my choice

3) Ron Paul is the True Conservative candidate

4) Gary Johnson - ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha......... ha.

5) The objective in this election is not to beat Obama - It is to restore our Republic

6)  Who asked me to be in this thread anyway?

 

But, nobody provides the name of a candidate they think can beat Obama. And if we don't beat Obama, it doesn't matter who anybody would LIKE to see win - OBAMA will win if we don't defeat him!

 

So, before anybody starts thrashing me because of this attempted "power grab" by the Romney camp, I'll state right up front that I don't agree with it. 

 

But, who else do we have that can beat Obama? 

 

Is that not the primary objective, or are those in this thread that are willing to have Obama for another four years? If Obama wins, we have him for another 4 years!!

 

Please people... WHO DO YOU THINK CAN BEAT OBAMA IN THIS ELECTION?

Roger 

 

 

 

On Aug 27, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Frank Zilaitis wrote:

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/26/gop-officials-accuse-romney-of-power-grab/ 

 

I posted the above link to the article to avoid an imploding thread in which it was contained.  This way, anyone who can focus on the facts without the personal attacks may do so.

 

I did not join the Republican Party and write a resolution (that was ultimately approved by the BREC and some seventeen other county RECs) to defeat top-down thuggery in the RPoF so that top-down thuggery can thrive at the RNC.

 

To be clear, I will vehemently work against Mitt Romney if a rules change occurs as described in the article.

 

Sincerely,

 
Frank Zilaitis





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