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RE: [rlccef] New Voter registration rules and Obama Mobilization==REALLY GUYS????

From: Don H.
Sent on: Sunday, September 2, 2012 5:28 PM

Congratulations Ya’ll (Yes, I am southern) while you debate and macho up to prove who is more right, Obummer and his trolls are working on winning an election! Keep up the good job!

I have a lot of opinion on the Paul people not being given due process to have their voices heard and Ron Paul’s as well. All that and the RNC is a prime example of just how messed (insert your choice word here) up the political process is! The democrats are low class slime! But as a person who thinks both sides are crooks I am appalled just how little the Repub’s are doing and just how much they are not attacking Nobama’s record but just his past records as well? Why would you allow the NObama people to spread lies and scream (still today) about his tax records and they not scream about Obummers past that is sealed. That they are allowing the obummer campaign to push that Repub’s have a the war on women, minorities and is only a party of old white men who want to rule everyone for the rich’s only gain! Also not sure about the rest of the state but I don’t see much out of the Romney people with signs, corner waves and such! Maybe I spend to much time in the store BUT if Florida is such a swing and important state it seems if it was me I would be loaded for a lot of bear or in this case a lot of jackasses!

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It is bad enough that the media is in Nobama’s corner but it seems to me that the mild and meek church mice Repub’s are pulling another McCain type campaign. Could it be that Romney is really  a pug that knows the fix is in and is a part of helping NObama win?

At this point in today’s world I would not doubt it! 64 ½ days to go someone better bring on the heavy artillery!

 

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Bob White
Sent: Sunday, September 02,[masked]:57 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: RE: [rlccef] New Voter registration rules and Obama Mobilization

 

Roger,
Where to begin? (long sigh). I really did not want to get into this again but I suppose you leave me no choice.

One of the problems I have with your reply is the same one I have with many of your posts in the various threads that have been running over the past few weeks. You assume certain facts to be in evidence that simply aren't there and then build your case upon them. Most of these assumptions have to do with the motives and positions of the people you find yourself in disagreement with. You often become accusatory, sarcastic and demeaning in tone and content. Granted you're not the only one, but you're as guilty as anyone. Frankly Roger, I've found nothing "unifying" in any of your posts. People cannot be bludgeoned into unity. Unity cannot be demanded; and insulting those that don't agree with you is no way to achieve it. Unity is a result, not an activity.

Look back at my post. It was a single short paragraph followed by a single statement. I began by saying I didn't disagree with anything you said, and then made a few simple observations about fairness as it related to the RNC. Your response to that is five paragraphs long and is accusatory, sarcastic and demeaning. And of course, it makes incorrect assumptions about my motives and positions.  It also denigrates the RLC as an organization.  On behalf of the RLCCEF let me just say that I'm sorry we haven't lived up to your lofty moral and philosophical standards. (sarcasm intended)

I think, and hope, that the people who read these threads know me. I think they know that I despise Barack Obama as much as anybody does and I want him out of the white house as much as anyone and more than most. If they've been reading these threads over the past few weeks they will have noticed that I have on many occasions said that I supported, and will continue to support, the Romney Ryan ticket. I don't "obviously still cling to Ron Paul". Never did cling, never will cling. Not to Ron Paul or any other politician. As far as my comments regarding Romney's coronation; congratulations, you hit that nail right on the head. It was in fact intended to be a "not so subtle reference" that was in fact intended to be  "insulting to the process" followed by the RNC. The remainder of your statement however constitutes one of those incorrect assumptions you seem so fond of making, that it was "indicative of my position and support level for the Republican candidate". No, it wasn't. It was a just a statement about the process, nothing more.

The RLCCEF, the RLC Florida and the National RLC, try to work within the Republican party to return it to it's Jeffersonian roots of less government, lower taxes, more personal freedom and responsibility, and free and fair markets. We don't go around blasting the party to any and all who will listen. In case you haven't noticed Roger, this is our meetup list that we've been posting on. Nobody put a gun to your head and demanded that you pay attention to what we have to say about the party. There's your difference between us and Barack Obama.

One final observation. I am not so vain as to believe that anything I post on a meetup thread is going to have some game changing impact on the election in November. The undecideds are not going to jump into the Romney column or the Obama column on election day because of something they read on a thread running on one of these meetup lists. Anyone tuned in enough to follow these threads is a decided voter already. These threads are great for educating each other on issues, policies, etc., and that includes the behavior of the Republican party. So do me a favor Roger. Climb down off your moral high horse and stop accusing people of "aiding the enemy" because they're not willing to stick there head in the sand until after the election is over. If that sounded harsh, trust me, it was intended to. Enough Already!

Bob White
Chairman, RLCCEF







Subject: Re: [rlccef] New Voter registration rules and Obama Mobilization
From: [address removed]
To: [address removed]
Date: Sun, 2 Sep[masked]:03:26 -0400

Bob,

As always, I thank you for replying to any of my comments. But I don't ENTIRELY agree with your view. I would NOT make the same derogatory statement about the party that I want to win this election, especially with only 65 days left to the election. If I want the Mets to win a ballgame, and we're in the 7th inning stretch, I don't scream that they suck from the stands. In that regard, I fail to see the logic in promoting the faults and shortcomings of the Republican party, or candidate, that I want to win. And to be clear, I want Romney to win, because he has the best chance to do so. We can try to fix the rest of our national problems AFTER we get Obama out of office, including those that Romney may bring to the table.

 

I have taken considerable flack from some in this thread for my call for unity. I will continue to state that any derogatory talk about Romney and/or the Republican Party, at this time in the process, does little to promote winning and helps only the opposition. 

 

I find it curious, at best, that it's usually the same voices that regularly point out the shortcomings of "our" team. Those voices are a poor example how we should achieve "the primary objective" unless THEIR primary objective is a different one. Your not so subtle reference to Romney's "Coronation," is insulting to the process and indicative of your position and support level for the Republican candidate. You obviously still cling to Ron Paul, even after the nomination. 

 

The RLC refers to itself as "the conscience of the Republican party" and it takes it upon itself to point out all the shortcomings and faults it sees - only in an effort to be fair. Obama has been acting as the same kind of "conscience" for America. He goes around the world pointing out, and apologizing for, our faults and shortcomings. Most of us don't think that's right. 'Why is it any different for the RLC to take it upon themselves to be the"conscience" that  brings our faults and shortcomings to everyones attention? 

 

I'm sure I haven't won any more friends with my comments here, but those I lose for calling for unity aren't worth having anyway. I hope you choose to post my reply - My last reply to Matt Nye's scathing email, didn't make it through.

 

One Team - One Fight

Roger 

 

 

 

 



 

On Sep 2, 2012, at 1:53 PM, Bob White wrote:

 

Roger,
I don't disagree with anything that you said, but it occurs to me that the exact same statement made in your post,  could be made regarding what just went on at the Republican National Convention related to the "coronation" of Mitt Romney. Granted, the ultimate outcome was never in doubt. Romney had the delegates to win and Paul did not, but Republicans are hardly in a position to lecture Democrats about "fairness" at this point. We can't even be fair to each other in our own party.

The Republican Liberty Caucus refers to itself as "the conscience of the Republican party". Pretty easy to see that the party needs one.

Bob White
Chairman, RLCCEF


From: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [rlccef] New Voter registration rules and Obama Mobilization
To: [address removed]
Date: Sun, 2 Sep[masked]:27:18 -0400

I suspect there are a great number of Democrats that couldn't care less HOW they win this election, just so long as they do. Granted there are some that still want the process to be fair, but I think there are are great number that DON'T care. They are loyal to their party regardless of the tactics employed to win.

Roger 

 

 

 

 



 

On Sep 2, 2012, at 12:49 PM, Randal Agostini wrote:

 

Pat,

I wonder how many Democrats would really want to win an election by fraud. This seems a good topic for Eye On Brevard. If I read this correctly 'the Organization" would have the ability to doctor the registration - 'the name' would be able to vote in every precinct, simply by changing the address!

Randal 

 


From: Pat Pasley <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Sunday, September 2,[masked]:12 AM
Subject: Fwd: [rlccef] New Voter registration rules and Obama Mobilization

 

The fight is on!!!

Judge Says Florida Voter Registration Rules to Be Blocked

By Karen Gullo - Aug 30,[masked]:01 AM ET  BLOOMBERG NEWS

Florida restrictions on voter registration groups, passed by the state’s Republican lawmakers and governor, will probably be permanently blocked by a U.S. judge who earlier said the rules were probably unconstitutional.

U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle in Tallahassee said yesterday he would grant an Aug. 10 request from both Florida and voting rights groups for a permanent injunction blocking the rules as soon as a federal appeals court dismisses the state’s appeal.

Hinkle ruled May 31 that conditions the state had imposed on groups signing up voters are probably unconstitutional. The League of Women Voters of Florida and Rock the Vote sued to overturn the laws. Hinkle said the plaintiffs and defendants both requested a permanent injunction “resolving all issues among all parties.”

Fights over voting access are intensifying in swing states, such as Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, where both Republican and Democratic presidential campaigns see a possibility of victory. Voter cases are also under way involvingAlabama, Texas and South Carolina.

On Aug. 28, a federal court in Washington rejected a Republican-supported plan to redraw electoral districts in Texas, finding it discriminated against Hispanic and black voters.

Yesterday, minority voting rights activists asked a three-judge panel to convene all parties in the Texas redistricting dispute as soon as possible to devise a plan to keep November elections on track.

South Carolina, meanwhile, is in trial before a special three-judge panel seeking approval of its law requiring citizens to show photographic identification before casting a ballot.

Photo ID Case

In a separate case, Texas said it won’t be able to implement its photo ID law in time for the November elections unless a court rules by the end of the week.

Florida officials voluntarily dismissed their appeal of Hinkle’s May ruling, according to an Aug. 10 filing in the U.S. appeals court in Atlanta. Hinkle, who was appointed to the bench by President Bill Clinton, a Democrat, said in yesterday’s order that he will grant a permanent injunction if the appeals court directs him to do so or if the appeal of his ruling is dismissed.

“This order is a decisive victory for Florida voters,”said Lee Rowland, counsel for the Brennan Center’s democracy program, one of the attorneys who argued the case for the plaintiffs. “The Florida Legislature has tried repeatedly to stifle access to voter registration opportunities.”

Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi’s media office referred inquiries about the ruling to the governor. Republican GovernorRick Scott’s communications office didn’t respond to an e-mail message seeking comment on the ruling.

The voter registration case is League of Women Voters v. Browning,[masked], U.S. District Court, Northern District of Florida (Tallahassee).

 



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Subject:

[rlccef] New Voter registration rules and Obama Mobilization

Date:

Sat, 1 Sep[masked]:41:58 -0400

From:

John Weiler <[address removed]>

Reply-To:

[address removed]

To:

[address removed]

 

 

ALERT - Voter Registration - New less Restrictive rules Information

 

It appears a federal judge has ruled or is about to rule that the new Fl law relative to voter registration is too restrictive.

 

Was at Merritt Island Library today and a team from "Florida Organization for America" was in the lobby registering library patrons. Their method is to get the patron to fill out the application and sign it then "This organization" then turns it in to SOE office. In the mean time they have the application in their possession. Asked man if we could just take the application, fill out at home and send to SOE...said NO he had to take it to the SOE.

 

I called Eddie Thompson @ SOE office and he verified that their was some sort of ruling this week that allows this type of activity. He promised to send me the actual ruling Monday

.

During the primary the rules were very different we could not touch the application or mail it even for the person registering.

When asked how he got involved doing this he said the Obama Campaign called and asked him to be a volunteer with this "no partisan" organization and help get people registered to vote.

 

It appears as soon as the judges ruling hit the street the Obama campaign mobilized and got activities started.....the battle has just begun.....standby for lots of hanky panky with voters......John.





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