Re: [ronpaul-93] Ron Paul or Gary Johnson?

From: Leigh S.
Sent on: Friday, August 31, 2012 3:30 PM
Of course Paul is my first choice, but your analysis is sound.  He would have to come out soon to announce his candidacy.  Don't hold your breath.  He's just been socked in the gut, so to speak, and may have had it.  He's given it a great try, and it took a huge backlash to put him down.  Gary Johnson is an honorable man, and no one else like that is running.

And there is the Obama factor.  I suspect some of the independents will vote for Romney to stop Obama, they are that afraid of him.  At least that's the reaction I heard after the lights went up after seeing "2016" last weekend.  But I heard Rush say this morning (I was out on errands and turning the channel) that he was worried about the polling that was showing a lower Independent support for Romney now than McCain had in 2008 by something like 5 million.   

Johnson may not win, but then again...  

We could give the Libertarian Party a shot in the arm of a growth spurt by voting for him which could turn it into a bigger influence later on.  And we may be surprised, the GOP may have turned off more of the Independents with its recent debacle, and Obama is supposed to have lost that 20% of Democrats that aren't voting for him.  So Johnson may have a better than average chance.  Its contending with the "Libertarian" title that turns quite a few voters off because they misunderstand what it means.  It isn't about "anything goes" but about the government getting out of the way.  As in "my arm can swing until it hits your nose".

From: i4freedom <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Fri, August 31,[masked]:35:30 PM
Subject: [ronpaul-93] Ron Paul or Gary Johnson?


I hope not to get into trouble by talking about Gary Johnson in a Ron Paul group. If Paul runs as an independent or will help his supporters in each state to get on the write-in list for the November 6 election in each state, most of us will likely vote for Paul. But both are unlikely and the media will ignore him. Gary Johnson is already on the ballot in every state (so he says) and many Paulers are talking about supporting him. Do we want to?

Last I read from the Commission on Presidential Debates they require candidates to get 15% of the liberal media polls to get on a presidential “debate”. I read that the CPD is run by the Republicans and Democrats. So Johnson is unlikely to be in a debate. This quote from the CPD website indicates without directly saying it that they will not allow any another “three-way match-up": “Flirting with Perot:


The authors here focused on the first three-way match-up in a general election presidential debate. Participant reaction to Ross Perot and James Stockdale's presence in the debates suggested that the dynamics, content, and tone of the exchange during the debates were distinctly affected by their presence. Focus groups found this element impacted their attitudes about independent candidates.”

CPD: ,[masked], [address removed]


The powers-that-be prevented Ron Paul from winning the nomination (3 times – 1988, 2008, 2012) starting months ago and ending during the infommercial, I mean convention. Ben Swan told us about the rules change scam. Here in another that Romney used: .


The same powers will likely keep Johnson from winning, especially because he is in a “3rd party” (Libertarian Party). Voting for him would be a principle vote, a protest vote and a vote for the best person currently running. I am not thrilled to support anyone but Paul, but it appears that Paul is out unless a lawsuit against the RNC is successful at overturning the nomination. If we choose to support Johnson, we need to get started next week. Who do you want us to collectively support?


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