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Re: [ronpaul-93] Ron Paul or Gary Johnson?

From: Rob P.
Sent on: Thursday, September 6, 2012 9:42 PM

Nobama.
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Sent: Thursday, September 06,[masked]:16 PM
Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Ron Paul or Gary Johnson?

I have been trying to work within the GOP for 40 years, and it doesn't work.  My parents tried before that to work within the party, back when it wasn't so bad, and they didn't get anywhere.
 
The Republican Party began as a third party, and there isn't any reason another party couldn't replace it as it once replaced an earlier party.  If Romney ends up winning, which I don't believe he will, he will be so bad a president that it will kill what is left of the GOP.  
 
Leigh


Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. Frederic Bastiat



From: Mert Erel <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Wed, September 5,[masked]:59:38 AM
Subject: RE: [ronpaul-93] Ron Paul or Gary Johnson?

I don’t like the idea of open borders:

http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Gary_Johnson_Immigration.htm

This is coming from a Turkish immigrant that followed all the rules of this beautiful country to become a naturalized citizen. Every illegal granted amnesty is a slap in the face to me and every legal immigrant that came to this country.

There is a lot of things that I do agree with the GOP party.

 

What I did like is Ron Paul’s idea to get people out of Iraq and Afghan to guard our southern border.

I like the idea of keep going within the party to influence and change the direction.

What I do like about Gary Johnson is that he’s totally for legalizing Cannabis.

Mert Erel

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Mike Paster
Sent: Wednesday, September 05,[masked]:49 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: RE: [ronpaul-93] Ron Paul or Gary Johnson?

 

Hello friends,

 

 

If the recent actions of the Republican Party have left you frustrated and worried about the future of liberty I would like to welcome you to the San Diego Libertarian Party. This is where you belong. Most of you already describe yourself as a libertarian, why not join the party? Personally I don't consider reforming the GOP (Geezerly obese pachyderm) a fruitful venture. At almost every incidence of Paulian  groups advancing within the Republican Party people in high positions within the GOP have stopped it either by arbitrary rule changes or blatant fiat. 

 

Republican leadership has attempted to hang a carrot on a stick to keep you around by saying a gold commission should be created. I would be shocked if they ever pursued the idea at all. If a gold commission were to be created by congress it would most likely be in name only. The gold commission office inside the capitol would be housed in a room where the door placard previously indicated "janitor closet." This room will surely still contain janitorial supplies. These sort of political lies and trickery is one of the reasons David Nolan and friends created the Libertarian Party in 1971. 

 

Imagine if only half of the enthusiasm for the Ron Paul campaign was directed at the Libertarian Party. If merely a third of the money from the Ron Paul campaign money bombs were instead given to your county, state, and even national libertarian parties we would become that strong third party most Americans are looking for.

 

Free yourself and this country from the two party warfare\welfare machine. Your future is with us at the Libertarian Party, make it your party.

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

-Mike Paster

 

 

Publicity Chair 

San Diego Libertarian Party

(760)[masked]

 

 

 

"Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"


From: [address removed]
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Ron Paul or Gary Johnson?
Date: Sat, 1 Sep[masked]:05:13 -0400

I'm throwing a Switch Party Party for my local liberty friends. After the events of this week, I can never I'm a republican without mumbling it. The RNC has slammed an iron door in the grassroot movement's face. They are not open to ideas of liberty and as the former RNC chair stated on Jon Stewart, they are afraid of not having control. I'm going to work on the fear vote (Romney) and reveal to the conservatives I know, that they are truly libertarians.
Melody

On Sep 1,[masked]:59 AM, "Leigh Skinner" <[address removed]> wrote:

Of course Paul is my first choice, but your analysis is sound.  He would have to come out soon to announce his candidacy.  Don't hold your breath.  He's just been socked in the gut, so to speak, and may have had it.  He's given it a great try, and it took a huge backlash to put him down.  Gary Johnson is an honorable man, and no one else like that is running.

 

And there is the Obama factor.  I suspect some of the independents will vote for Romney to stop Obama, they are that afraid of him.  At least that's the reaction I heard after the lights went up after seeing "2016" last weekend.  But I heard Rush say this morning (I was out on errands and turning the channel) that he was worried about the polling that was showing a lower Independent support for Romney now than McCain had in 2008 by something like 5 million.   

 

Johnson may not win, but then again...  

 

We could give the Libertarian Party a shot in the arm of a growth spurt by voting for him which could turn it into a bigger influence later on.  And we may be surprised, the GOP may have turned off more of the Independents with its recent debacle, and Obama is supposed to have lost that 20% of Democrats that aren't voting for him.  So Johnson may have a better than average chance.  Its contending with the "Libertarian" title that turns quite a few voters off because they misunderstand what it means.  It isn't about "anything goes" but about the government getting out of the way.  As in "my arm can swing until it hits your nose".
 

Leigh

 

 


From: i4freedom <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Fri, August 31,[masked]:35:30 PM
Subject: [ronpaul-93] Ron Paul or Gary Johnson?


I hope not to get into trouble by talking about Gary Johnson in a Ron Paul group. If Paul runs as an independent or will help his supporters in each state to get on the write-in list for the November 6 election in each state, most of us will likely vote for Paul. But both are unlikely and the media will ignore him. Gary Johnson is already on the ballot in every state (so he says) and many Paulers are talking about supporting him. Do we want to?
Last I read from the Commission on Presidential Debates they require candidates to get 15% of the liberal media polls to get on a presidential “debate”. I read that the CPD is run by the Republicans and Democrats. So Johnson is unlikely to be in a debate. This quote from the CPD website indicates without directly saying it that they will not allow any another “three-way match-up": “Flirting with Perot:
VOTER AMBIVALENCE ABOUT THE THIRD CANDIDATE
The authors here focused on the first three-way match-up in a general election presidential debate. Participant reaction to Ross Perot and James Stockdale's presence in the debates suggested that the dynamics, content, and tone of the exchange during the debates were distinctly affected by their presence. Focus groups found this element impacted their attitudes about independent candidates.”
CPD: www.debates.org ,[masked], [address removed]
 
The powers-that-be prevented Ron Paul from winning the nomination (3 times – 1988, 2008, 2012) starting months ago and ending during the infommercial, I mean convention. Ben Swan told us about the rules change scam. Here in another that Romney used:
 http://www.dailypaul.com/252344/doug-wead-romney-threatened-ron-paul-with-pr-a-bomb .
 
The same powers will likely keep Johnson from winning, especially because he is in a “3rd party” (Libertarian Party). Voting for him would be a principle vote, a protest vote and a vote for the best person currently running. I am not thrilled to support anyone but Paul, but it appears that Paul is out unless a lawsuit against the RNC is successful at overturning the nomination. If we choose to support Johnson, we need to get started next week. Who do you want us to collectively support?
 
www.garyjohnson2012.com
randy




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