Re: [ronpaul-93] Re: My advice to the undecided... be self-interested.

From: user 6.
Sent on: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:41 PM
Was from a daily Paul article.... so who knows ...should b ez 2 find out

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From: "Mike Benoit" <[address removed]>
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Subject: [ronpaul-93] Re: My advice to the undecided... be self-interested.
Date: Wed, Sep 12,[masked]:33 pm


were did you hear that
At 05:14 PM 9/12/2012, you wrote:
>Heard the other day that california will honor Ron Paul write ins...
>
>From: Leigh Skinner <[address removed]>
>To: [address removed]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 12,[masked]:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Re: My advice to the
>undecided... be self-interested.
>
>Mert,
>
>As one who has volunteered with the Minute Men
>over the years, I don't see much wrong with
>Johnson's approach.  He understands that the
>main reason illegal immigrants come here is the
>huge backlog in temporary work visas.  Our
>government would rather put their resources to
>other things than protecting our borders.  This is true under both parties.
>
>I prefer someone like Johnson being frank than
>Romney's "promises" that won't come
>true.  Johnson doesn't address control of the
>border specifically, as he is interested in
>solving the causes instead of putting a bandage,
>so to speak, on the issue by building a fence or
>putting troops on the border.  Both will not
>alone solve the problem any more than a wall and
>guards around East Berlin kept people from
>trying to escape.  What can fence people from
>coming in here can also fence Americans in from leaving.
>
>By the way, Ron Paul has suggested the same
>measures as Johnson does, except Paul has added
>putting troops on the border, but not building a
>fence.  So their stances on border security are
>quite similar, and you'll need to write Johnson
>and ask him what he thinks about the troops
>idea.  I understand he reads his own email.
>
>Leigh
>
>Government is the great fiction through which
>everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. Frederic Bastiat
>
>
>
>From: Mert Erel <[address removed]>
>To: [address removed]
>Sent: Wed, September 12,[masked]:24:54 AM
>Subject: RE: [ronpaul-93] Re: My advice to the
>undecided... be self-interested.
>
>Gary Johnson pretty much has an open borders
>policy. That is that main difference between Ron
>Paul and Gary Johnson.  At least if I vote the
>Romney ticket, I’m ensured tougher stances on illegal immigration.
>
><http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/issues/immigration>http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/issues/immigration
>
>Mert Erel
>
>From: [address removed]
>[mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of James Reid
>Sent: Tuesday, September 11,[masked]:29 AM
>To: [address removed]
>Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Re: My advice to the
>undecided... be self-interested.
>
>I am on the vote for Gary Johnson.
>
>1. Romney has already committed to assist the
>bank bailout of Europe.  Romney has committed to
>increase defense contractor budget
>spending.  Refer to the Bloomberg debate Oct 11,
>2011.  Romney proposed cabinet selections are very anti-liberty.
>2. Obama is well Obama and his committed second
>term projects include Amnesty At All Cost, as
>well as a continued degradation of the US Economy and Civil Liberties.
>
>California will vote Democratic by 2+ million
>anyways, Romney cannot win the 55 Electoral
>votes...so a Romney vote cannot swing CA no matter how much you dislike Obama.
>
>Better to add to the Libertarian strength and
>visibility with a vote for Gary Johnson.
>
>
>
>On Sep 10, 2012, at 1:23 PM, Leigh Skinner wrote:
>
>
>Voting for someone not on the ballot, and not
>even an official write-in candidate, is a
>complete waste.  And its not even a protest vote
>because all that might be acknowledged is so
>many votes for "anonymous".  The write-in name
>will not be recorded unless its an official write-in.
>
>We Ron Paul supporters need to get over it
>all.  While Dr. Paul hasn't endorsed Gary
>Johnson, he has made some complimentary remarks
>about him.  And Johnson did a good job as
>governor of New Mexico.  So if you're not voting
>for either of the two main candidates, why not
>vote for Johnson.  That would be a measurable protest vote, and who knows...
>
>Leigh
>
>Government is the great fiction through which
>everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. Frederic Bastiat
>
>
>
>From: i4freedom <<mailto:[address removed]>[address removed]>
>To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address removed]
>Sent: Mon, September 10,[masked]:09:36 AM
>Subject: RE: [ronpaul-93] Re: My advice to the
>undecided... be self-interested.
>Ron Paul will NOT be counted on the ballots
>unless his name is on the list of write-ins.
>
>
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>From: <mailto:[address removed]>[address removed]
>To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address removed]
>Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Re: My advice to the
>undecided... be self-interested.
>Date: Fri, 7 Sep[masked]:29:30 -0400
>I cannot seem to make up my mind as to the
>proper person to vote for. I put thousands of
>FRN into Ron Paul's campaign and hundreds of
>hours putting up signs, attending meetings, etc.
>that at this point, I think I am going to write
>in Ron Paul.I did all this work so that I could
>vote for Ron Paul, so I am going to see it
>through. That way when I get up in the morning
>and face myself, I can say "I tried". Also when
>the Republigoons  and Demonstercrats talk
>excuses why their idiot in the D.C. Brothel
>promised this or that but needs just "four more
>wars" I can laugh in their faces. I'll try again next election.
>On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Bill Bennett
><<mailto:[address removed]>[address removed]> wrote:
>Mike and Friends,
>
>Just got this from AZ, Who is next?
>
>Just posted to the 2012 Election Discussion Group:
>The Arizona Supreme Court will allow the "Top
>Two" on to the ballot.  We really have our work
>cut out to inform our friends, neighbors,
>coworkers, family and anyone who will listen
>that this is a total affront to the Constitution
>and our republic form of government.
>In liberty,  Bill
>
>From:
><mailto:[address removed]>[address removed]
>[mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Sheri Snow Powers
>Sent: Friday, September 07,[masked]:30 PM
>To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address removed]
>Subject: [ronpaul-93] Re: My advice to the undecided... be self-interested.
>
>Despite the increase of executive power over the
>past 4 years, the President does not yet have
>unleashed power and I don't believe that he
>could get unleashed power in 4 more years even
>if revolution and civil discourse were to erupt.
>I believe this because of the widespread reach
>of the internet and info disseminated on a daily
>basis. Further, the counter-terrorism provision
>of the NDAA was just deemed "unconstitutional"
>in May (and yes, I know that the executive
>branch is appealing). We are still influencing
>our Congress and Senate (example: the defeat of
>SOPA and the victory of Audit the Fed) And more
>and more of the American people are waking
>everyday....For these reasons, I strongly
>believe a vote for BO or MR will not serve the
>self-interested.  A 3rd party, write-in or
>abstaining vote is most valuable to "quantify
>the movement."  Because it would behoove us
>"self-interested" to be "collective" just this
>once in order to make the biggest impact, I am
>all for a "collective' decision on how to vote
>(3rd party, Write-in or Abstain) but we need
>someone (RP?) to lead us to that decision and
>unfortunately, I don't see that
>happening.  Thus, I am leaning GJ right
>now.  See this article written in the Daily Paul:
>
>Quantify the Movement: The Case for Gary Johnson
>Written by a Massachusetts Delegate
>The Liberty Movement has a tremendous amount of
>momentum, and with the convention behind us we
>must set our sights on November and the next
>four years. We have made great strides in
>winning offices at the grass-roots level and
>must continue to do so if we are to affect
>change, but there is one thing we have not yet
>been able to accomplish, and that is to show the
>world exactly how big our movement can be in a
>general election. We all know there are droves
>of Ron Paul and Liberty-minded supporters who
>did not cast votes in primaries either because
>they are Democrats, Independents, or only
>interested in participating in a general
>election. By all casting votes for Gary Johnson
>we can in the course of just one day show the
>world how strong we truly are. I call this
>"Quantifying the Movement" and venture to list
>several rationales for a Johnson vote below.
>The Case for the Republican Party: Often times,
>out of love, children must be disciplined to
>help shape them into better people. So is the
>case with political parties. It is no secret the
>Republican Party has gone out of their way, even
>breaking their own rules, to kick the sand in
>the face of the Liberty Movement. It is true we
>must transform the party from within in order to
>change this, but we must also show in no
>uncertain terms that the Republican Party needs
>to want and accept this change if it is to
>maintain and grow the support of such a critical
>wing of the party. The two agendas are mutually
>beneficial, not mutually exclusive.
>The Case for Rand Paul: If Mitt Romney loses the
>election "because of Gary Johnson," how powerful
>would it be for Rand Paul to be able to approach
>the Republican Party with a quantifiable number
>of how many voters he could potentially bring
>back to the party if he were to become the next
>nominee? Some would argue that Liberty
>supporters voting against the party would hurt
>Rand Paul's chances – in truth it only makes them stronger.
>The Case of Conscience: For too long have people
>been subscribing to the notion they must vote
>for the lesser of two evils. We are at a point
>in American history where 40% of the population
>does not identify as either a Democrat or a
>Republican. This presents an incredible
>opportunity to show the two parties that the
>system must evolve in order to survive.
>The Case for the Message: A large voter turnout
>for Gary Johnson and Libertarian beliefs will
>force the general public to at the very lease
>ask why, and asking this important question is
>the first step towards discovering what the Liberty Message actually is.
>In the following sections, I would like to offer
>several alternatives to the Johnson vote and why
>they are not as supportive of the Liberty Movement.
>The No-Vote: Not voting is the weakest form of
>protest vote an individual can ever perform,
>simply because it is a protest that will never
>be heard. Staying home and not voting is quite
>possibly the worst thing a supporter of the
>Liberty Movement can do on Election Day.
>The Write-In: The unfortunate truth of the
>matter is that write-ins simply are not counted.
>The candidate has to make themselves eligible as
>a write-in in most states and therefore a
>write-in is the practical equivalent of a
>no-vote. Gary Johnson will be on the ballot in
>all 50 states, guaranteeing that those votes for
>the Liberty Movement have the highest likelihood of being counted.
>The Other Third Parties: The other third parties
>will most likely not be on the ballot in all 50
>states. Therefore, not all of the Liberty
>Movement will be able to cast a unified vote at the national level.
>The Romney Vote: The proper way to affect change
>within the Republican Party is to get and stay
>organized at the local and grass-roots level.
>Members of the Liberty Movement must get
>themselves elected into positions from school
>boards and town committees all the way up to the
>Senate. However, thinking change will come by
>voting for a man who has repeatedly shunned the
>Liberty Movement is unrealistic and effectively
>gives permission to the Republican Party to continue business as usual.
>The Obama Vote: Many Liberty supporters were
>once Obama supporters, but it is clear that he
>has failed in his promise to end wars and
>promote Liberty. In fact, he has done the exact
>opposite by creating more wars and passing
>legislation that erodes personal liberties. The
>Liberty Movement cannot endorse this and still call itself a Liberty Movement.
>Finally, those who take issue with Gary
>Johnson’s position on abortion must keep in
>mind that although Ron Paul and Gary Johnson’s
>personal opinions on abortion differ, their
>actual policy opinions are not all that
>different. Both believe that legislation should
>happen at the state level and not in the courts.
>Whatever you do in November, do it at the polls
>and feel good about the vote you place in the
>box. We are in a unique position as a movement
>to parlay great momentum into a very loud and
>clear message to the Republican Party and the
>Nation as a whole that the Liberty Movement is
>alive, well, and indeed the future. Let's show
>the world what the Liberty Movement means
>numerically in a General Election so that we may
>grow in strength and continue to right the path of These United States.
><http://www.dailypaul.com/252471/quantify-the-movement-the-case-for-gary-johnson>http://www.dailypaul.com/252471/quantify-the-movement-the-case-for-gary-johnson
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