RE: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows GMO's & fluoridation

From: Ken C.
Sent on: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 12:15 PM
Requiring disclosure IS defensive.
 
Some folks have deadly allergies to things like peanuts. They have a right to know whether a food product contains peanuts before purchasing and eating it.
 
Requiring disclosure of what is in a food product is simply requiring this information to be included on the existing label. Laws of this type do not require labels. They require certain information to be included on the label.
 
Would anyone purchase packaged foods that contained absolutely no labeling? With the possible exception of a person who was starving, of course not. Well, if a company is going to label their foods, disclosing information about the ingredients that might be harmful to some folks is something that should be included. The reason certain companies do not want to include this information is because they know that this information would result in decreased sales by giving consumers the information they need.
 
The point is that companies that prepare and sell packaged foods should not be allowed to lie about what is in them. And, not stating what is in them is a lie by ommision. A law prohibiting sellers of food products from concealing what is in those products is a legimate function of government.
 
Ken-

 
> To: [address removed]
> From: [address removed]
> Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows GMO's & fluoridation
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct[masked]:50:20 -0400
>
> "What, then, is law? It is the collective organization of the
> individual right to lawful defense" Laws are bad when they are a
> perversion of the definition above. We have a right to defend our
> rights with deadly force if need be and that right can be delegated
> as a power to government for the common application of this
> responsive force. Laws against murder, robbery, and rape are
> defensive in nature (they. They are not mandates (forcing people to
> do something). Forcing people or companies to label their products
> are a perversion, of law. You don't protect rights by violating
> rights. You have the right to buy or not buy any product that is out
> there. By claiming that people can force other people to do things
> against their will is a support for tyranny. What is tyranny? It is
> the taking control of something without the right to do so.
>
> We can delegate to government only that which we have a right to do ourselves.
>
> Now since some people are ready to take away liberty and property
> rights from other people I only hope they realize their own
> inconsistency and do not complain when others do it to them.
>
> Of course we know that when you give up liberty for security you end
> up with neither. Laws like this hurt the little guys and justify
> government making it illegal to sell from your own garden. After all
> you don't have the label on. Special interest groups get waivers.
> Sometimes seed can travel in the wind and land on a farm where the
> farmer only planted heirloom seed yet some GMO seed made its way into
> his farm. So the products he produces and you eat have some gmo by accident.
>
> Who shall police this new perversion of law? Who will get caught in
> the net? Will you be making sure all the restaurants only use non GMO
> or do you want the State that you are expanding to do that?
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> At 11:10 AM 10/3/2012, you wrote:
> >In reference to the "libertarian" point of view... since when are
> >all laws bad? Why would requiring a company to disclose ingredients
> >to the consumer not allow for more choice, more competition and more
> >integrity to commerce? From the "libertarian" point of view I would
> >think this is a home run.
> >
> >
> >
> >From: Leigh Skinner <[address removed]>
> >To: [address removed]
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 3,[masked]:19 AM
> >Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows
> >GMO's & fluoridation
> >
> >Snewbegin:
> >
> >There are other mandates that save lives, like laws against murder
> >and robbery. No mandates is anarchy. Is that what you're after?
> >
> >But aside from that, people are dying from the FDA's actions, or
> >rather inaction because of big corporations and congressional
> >shortcomings. In the meantime a non-government sponsored
> >initiative, Prop 37, is on the ballot to try and contend with the
> >FDA until it hopefully goes away someday. I don't expect the
> >government to enforce it, but it will give people like me the tools
> >to sue if I am ever hurt by a manufacturer's unlisted GMO
> >ingredients (if they are a significant percentage) and I can prove it.
> >
> >You, of course, are free to vote against it. But someday the
> >government will hit too close to home for you, and perhaps then you
> >will understand that a narrow set of mandates does not take away
> >your liberty. And I notice that you haven't explained how labeling
> >takes away your liberty? Seems to me that it helps to inform us,
> >and an informed citizenry is what will eventually set us free. That
> >is one of the main points of Audit the Fed, because when everyone
> >learns what they are doing to this country, they will rebel and End
> >the Fed. In a similar way, when the population sees how much GMO's
> >have taken over our food, both packaged and fresh, they will not be
> >pleased. Right now I argue with uninformed people about GMO's
> >because they don't realize how prevalent they are.
> >
> >And as for Libertarian thought, I agree with much of it, but I
> >believe there can occasionally be exceptions in extraordinary times.
> >
> >
> >
> >Leigh
> >It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
> >tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the
> >minds of men. Samuel Adams
> >Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to
> >live at the expense of everybody else. Frederic Bastiat
> >
> >
> >
> >From: "[address removed]" <[address removed]>
> >To: [address removed]
> >Cc: Leigh Skinner <[address removed]>
> >Sent: Tue, October 2,[masked]:06:10 PM
> >Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows
> >GMO's & fluoridation
> >
> >
> >---- Leigh Skinner <<mailto:[address removed]>[address removed]> wrote:
> >Leigh, from a libertarian point of view the FDA should not exist.
> >Actually, it is the libertarians
> >educating people on its principles that will make it not a fringe party.
> >I understand your passion but someone else has a passion somewhere else
> >that is requiring the government with its legalized violence to carry out its
> >mandates. You need to read more Austrian economics and libertarian thought
> >to see there is another way.
> >
> >
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