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Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows GMO's & fluoridation

From: david
Sent on: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 5:18 PM
GMO foods are an attack on everyone. GMO foods have been proven to cause tumors, cancers, etc..... and with that being the case, I would consider the labeling requirement a law a law that is "defensive in nature". I should at least be warned that I am eating poison when I crack open a box of Frosted Flakes. Should we not have the liberty to decide our own health? How is our liberty not protected then when we can be poisoned and not warned in advance? I see nothing wrong with transparency and full disclosure. I want the liberty to decide whether I eat good food or bad food but how can I tell the difference if the person selling the food is not honest about what is inside it? 

Correct me if I am wrong, this new law will require foods containing GMO's to be labeled. It mandates nothing of the opposite.

If the small farmer does not purchase GMO seeds then why would anyone bother coming up with an idea to mandate a label that says so. That is not what this proposition is about.

I am voting Yes on Prop 37 and below is an example why,

It's the same shit, just a different decade  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCMzjJjuxQI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdHSIquSHMw&feature=related





From: Mike Benoit <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Wednesday, October 3,[masked]:50 AM
Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows GMO's & fluoridation

"What, then, is law? It is the collective organization of the individual right to lawful defense" Laws are bad when they are a perversion of the definition above. We have a right to defend our rights with deadly force if need be and that right can be delegated as a power to government for the common application of this responsive force. Laws against murder, robbery, and rape are defensive in nature (they. They are not mandates (forcing people to do something). Forcing people or companies to label their products are a perversion, of law. You don't protect rights by violating rights. You have the right to buy or not buy any product that is out there. By claiming that people can force other people to do things against their will is a support for tyranny. What is tyranny? It is the taking control of something without the right to do so.

We can delegate to government only that which we have a right to do ourselves.

Now since some people are ready to take away liberty and property rights from other people I only hope they realize their own inconsistency and do not complain when others do it to them.

Of course we know that when you give up liberty for security you end up with neither. Laws like this hurt the little guys and justify government making it illegal to sell from your own garden. After all you don't have the label on. Special interest groups get waivers. Sometimes seed can travel in the wind and land on a farm where the farmer only planted heirloom seed yet some GMO seed made its way into his farm. So the products he produces and you eat have some gmo by accident.

Who shall police this new perversion of law? Who will get caught in the net? Will you be making sure all the restaurants only use non GMO or do you want the State that you are expanding to do that?


Mike



At 11:10 AM 10/3/2012, you wrote:
> In reference to the "libertarian" point of view... since when are all laws bad? Why would requiring a company to disclose ingredients to the consumer not allow for more choice, more competition and more integrity to commerce? From the "libertarian" point of view I would think this is a home run.
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> From: Leigh Skinner <[address removed]>
> To: [address removed]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 3,[masked]:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows GMO's & fluoridation
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> Snewbegin:
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> There are other mandates that save lives, like laws against murder and robbery.  No mandates is anarchy.  Is that what you're after?
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> But aside from that, people are dying from the FDA's actions, or rather inaction because of big corporations and congressional shortcomings.  In the meantime a non-government sponsored initiative, Prop 37, is on the ballot to try and contend with the FDA until it hopefully goes away someday.  I don't expect the government to enforce it, but it will give people like me the tools to sue if I am ever hurt by a manufacturer's unlisted GMO ingredients (if they are a significant percentage) and I can prove it.
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> You, of course, are free to vote against it.  But someday the government will hit too close to home for you, and perhaps then you will understand that a narrow set of mandates does not take away your liberty.  And I notice that you haven't explained how labeling takes away your liberty?  Seems to me that it helps to inform us, and an informed citizenry is what will eventually set us free.  That is one of the main points of Audit the Fed, because when everyone learns what they are doing to this country, they will rebel and End the Fed.  In a similar way, when the population sees how much GMO's have taken over our food, both packaged and fresh, they will not be pleased.  Right now I argue with uninformed people about GMO's because they don't realize how prevalent they are.
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> And as for Libertarian thought, I agree with much of it, but I believe there can occasionally be exceptions in extraordinary times.
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> Leigh
> It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men. Samuel Adams
> Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. Frederic Bastiat
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> From: "[address removed]" <[address removed]>
> To: [address removed]
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> Sent: Tue, October 2,[masked]:06:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows GMO's & fluoridation
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> ---- Leigh Skinner <<mailto:[address removed]>[address removed]> wrote:
> Leigh, from a libertarian point of view the FDA should not exist. Actually, it is the libertarians
> educating people on its principles that will make it not a fringe party.
> I understand your passion but someone else has a passion somewhere else
> that is requiring the government with its legalized violence to carry out its
> mandates. You need to read more Austrian economics and libertarian thought
> to see there is another way.
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