Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows GMO's & fluoridation

From: Mike B.
Sent on: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 3:51 PM
Jon, strip out all the socialism and taxation and then redo your scenario.


Mike

At 12:22 PM 10/9/2012, you wrote:
>Hi Ryan,
>
>You asked some tough questions.  I'll try to respond to them without 
>going off on a tangent.
>
>The United States doesn't have a free market economy.  Anti smoking 
>laws, as you pointed out, make that evident.  But if you were a bar 
>owner, I would advise you to be careful what you wish for.   From a 
>business perspective, wishing for a free market economy would be 
>foolish for any successful bar owner.  If it were not for 
>regulations, then most bars would go out of business.  The only 
>reason why bars can charge so much is because consumers have such 
>limited options when consuming alcohol outside of their homes.  I 
>agree with you, all restaurant owners should have the freedom to 
>choose if they want to allow their customers to smoke on their 
>property.  But in addition, I believe that all restaurant owners 
>should have the freedom to choose if they want to allow their 
>customers to drink alcoholic beverages on their property.
>
>Without regulations, I would be able to go to Subway and enjoy a 
>sandwich with a beer for the same price of what I would currently 
>pay in gratuity at your bar.
>
>If I had the liberty to be able take my dog for a walk while 
>drinking a beer from a store,  then occasionally I would lose all 
>desire to walk into your bar when I would otherwise be happy to give 
>you my business.
>
>A homeless man could build the capital to buy an ice box, a bag of 
>ice, and a 24 pack of beer after just a couple days of collecting 
>cans.  That's all the ingredients necessary to give you some 
>unwanted competition.  I would't mind having the freedom to support 
>a homeless man by purchasing a cold bottle of beer from him just 
>outside of your business for $1.75.  I'd leave a good tip if he 
>served it to me on a hot day at the beach.  I'd bet that you as a 
>bar owner wouldn't support that aspect of a free market even if you 
>were to gain the freedom to allow your customers to smoke.
>
>The point I'm trying to get to is: you're no exception to the 
>rule.  You appreciate "the hand of the government" whenever it 
>benefits you just like everybody else.
>
>-Juan
>
>
>On Oct 8, 2012, at 1:53 PM, Ryan 
><<mailto:[­address removed]>[address­ removed]> wrote:
>
>>So if I own a business, a bar or restaurant let's say, I shouldn't 
>>be able to determine if my place can be a smoking area or not a 
>>smoking area? Doesn't the consumer have a right to not eat or drink 
>>at my establishment? Another big government move, something I'm 
>>surprised you'd support.
>>
>>The distinction is, are you willing to let businesses cater to what 
>>consumer and market wants, as smoking inside would not sit well for 
>>many, so many restaurants wouldn't. Or, because it bothers 
>>you/allergic­ ( I'm the same ) do you use the hand of government to 
>>do your bidding? Where does it end? Fatty foods, sugary drinks, 
>>alcohol? Who gets to decide where the red line is?
>>
>>On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Leigh Skinner 
>><<mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]> wrote:
>>Cameron,
>>
>>Prop 37 isn't about banning GMO's.  It is about informed consent in 
>>the maketplace.  Why is that anti-liberty?  Food manufacturers are 
>>welcome to put them in their product, just as I am free not to buy them.
>>
>>I am allergic to cigarette smoke, but surprisingly enough, I am not 
>>for banning them outright.  I am glad resturants don't have smoking 
>>because "no smoking" sections didn't work as the smoke traveled all 
>>over the room.  Your freedom to swing your arm ends where my nose 
>>begins.  Sugary sodas list the sugar.  I buy virgil's zero root 
>>beer and zero cola which are sweetened with stevia.  Splenda, 
>>technical name sucralos, is quite dangerous three parts chlorine, 
>>one part sugar) but again, it is listed on the labels of products 
>>containing it.
>>
>>Leigh
>>It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, 
>>tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the 
>>minds of men. Samuel Adams
>>Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors 
>>to live at the expense of everybody else. Frederic Bastiat
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Cameron Butler <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]>[address­ removed]>
>>To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
>>Sent: Mon, October 8,[masked]:47:46 AM
>>
>>Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows 
>>GMO's & fluoridation
>>
>>David,
>>
>>I would assume you are also in favor of the continued prohibition 
>>of drugs (a policy which is a "proven" failure) based on their 
>>deadly nature.  You might also be in favor of a ban on 
>>cigarettes.  Certainly though, you would support an outright ban on 
>>artificial sweeteners saccharine, aspartame, and splenda based on 
>>your "soft kill" criteria, but I would suspect perhaps sugary sodas 
>>could be included in that ban based on their contribution to 
>>obesity and diabetes and hastened mortality ("murder") from same.
>>
>>In fact, I think you are missing the point.  We are not missing 
>>anything about how bad gmo food is.  Regardless of how dangerous it 
>>is, is it government's role to prevent people from eating it?  That 
>>is the question ultimately being posed.
>>
>>I know the argument is that when it comes to shooting up heroin, 
>>people know it is bad and dangerous but they do it anyway for a 
>>variety of reasons... and yet they don't know that the food 
>>contains gmo that can kill... I see this, to a point.  However, 
>>don't you think that people who are buying multiple 12-packs of 
>>sodas with HFCS and/or deadly artificial sweeteners know that the 
>>consumption of all of that crap is going to contribute to their 
>>early demise?  They do it anyway.
>>
>>Let's look at this another way.  Is it really the warning label on 
>>cigarettes that stops ANYONE from smoking?  Or is it a changed 
>>cultural understanding.  The labeling came as a result of the 
>>dialogue.  So will labeling without widespread awareness really do 
>>anything?  Its not going to have skull and crossbones alongside "GMO", is it?
>>
>>Here's another key -- ultimately, you will be trusting the 
>>GOVERNMENT to make sure major manufacturers are identifying GMO in 
>>their products.  Just like the FDA keeps an eye on pharmaceutical 
>>giants to make sure we are getting safe drugs.  And since we cannot 
>>trust the government, those of us who are already aware of the 
>>dangers of GMO will be relying on independent organizations to 
>>alternately certify or cross-test these products.  So why not just 
>>rely on those more trustworthy entities to begin with???
>>
>>On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 11:38 AM, david 
>><<mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]> wrote:
>>The point that everyone seems to be missing is that gmo foods kill. 
>>Plain and simple. They are being sold as gras and equal to natural 
>>foods when science has proven otherwise. Deadly "food" is being 
>>purposely placed into the food supply. I would even support a 
>>government ban on gmo foods, proven to be deadly, from ever being 
>>sold in the first place. I guess I have to settle for labels.
>>
>>The term soft kill applies since the effects take time to 
>>materialize but by the time they do, it's too late. I challenge 
>>anyone to deny that this is a form of murder.
>>
>>Do you oppose Murder? Murder is murder whether it is instant or 
>>pro-longed, correct?
>>
>>There is nothing that can be said to dispute this.
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Cameron Butler <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]>[address­ removed]>
>>To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
>>Sent: Saturday, October 6,[masked]:54 PM
>>
>>Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows 
>>GMO's & fluoridation
>>
>>Its very difficult to certify corn and soybeans as organic, and I 
>>do not trust USDA organic certification at all, but there are 
>>multiple independent certifications for organic and non-GMO that I 
>>do trust.  But I do not see how having mandated labeling solves the 
>>issue you are describing.  So General Mills has to put on their box 
>>of Corn Chex that it is made with GMO corn - that in and of itself 
>>is good, but doesn't solve the issue you are describing.  I have 
>>watched and read lots of material on the dangers/issues of GMO, but 
>>I will watch the G. Edward Griffith clip.
>>
>>In regards to your response to Ryan, I definitely do not see how 
>>this is akin to religious liberty/1st amendment rights.  It seems 
>>requiring additional labeling requirements by 
>>manufacturer­s/retailers would be more analogous to requiring 
>>churches to have government mandated disclosures about what kind of 
>>teaching or sect or denomination they represent ;-)
>>
>>In Liberty,
>>Cameron
>>
>>
>>On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Leigh Skinner 
>><<mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]> wrote:
>>Cameron,
>>
>>I understand where those who disagree with me on this are coming 
>>from.  My point is that there is no such thing as "certified" 
>>organic anymore unless the crop is grown in a hothouse.  That takes 
>>choice out of the picture.  I just sent out some links from G. 
>>Edward Griffith's "Realty Zone" on GMO's. Scientists and leaders in 
>>organic farming speak out about GMO's and whether to label 
>>them.   I suggest you watch and read them and then get back to me.
>>
>>Leigh
>>It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, 
>>tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the 
>>minds of men. Samuel Adams
>>Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors 
>>to live at the expense of everybody else. Frederic Bastiat
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Cameron Butler <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]>[address­ removed]>
>>To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
>>Sent: Sat, October 6,[masked]:39:46 AM
>>
>>Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows 
>>GMO's & fluoridation
>>
>>Leigh,
>>
>>You and I have seen eye to eye on quite a number of issues and I'm 
>>completely with you as far as being anti-GMO.  I'm all about 
>>organic gardening, self-sufficiency, etc. etc.  But if it were true 
>>that "we are told this in many ways as we are growing up", and that 
>>were sufficient, then might it be true that there wouldn't be a 
>>pandemic of overconsumption of refined white sugar and HFCS 
>>beverages, not to mention the rampant consumption of dangerous 
>>artificial sweeteners.
>>However, I think you missed my point - my point is where do you 
>>draw the line at using government to force manufacturers to do 
>>things?  Out of self-preservation I understand the desire to use a 
>>ballot initiative to stem the tide of GMO poison, I truly do.  But, 
>>my Coca Cola and white sugar example was to point out that labeling 
>>requirements­ due to dangers of food and substances can be taken to 
>>all kinds of extremes.
>>
>>"Walmart has a limited number of organic, but what about their 
>>other choices" -- yes, most of the food they sell is laden with GMO 
>>grains and sweeteners, and can be considered dangerous food.
>>The question here is: is it up to government (or the people to use 
>>government) to protect people from being uninformed, or is it up to 
>>people to become informed about what they eat and purchase food 
>>only from those manufacturers who fully disclose and certify what 
>>they are offering consumers?  What if there were no government 
>>mandated requirement to list ingredients at all?  How different 
>>would things really be?  The majority would march off happily to 
>>consume whatever is advertised and cheap, and the informed would 
>>only purchase products from manufacturers that label and certify 
>>their ingredients.
>>Even if you get mandatory GMO labeling, there will still be plenty 
>>of dangerous foods and additives where people need to inform 
>>themselves in order to avoid them.  Things like mandatory labeling 
>>and the FDA as a whole provide consumers with a false sense of 
>>security.  The misconception is that consumers do not have an 
>>informed choice and mandated labeling enhances liberty because it 
>>gives consumers choice.   I do not think this is so.  Consumers 
>>have a choice now - they can purchase products from manufacturers 
>>willing to certify their foods as GMO-free, or they can purchase 
>>products from manufacturers who will not (with the reasonable 
>>assumption that they contain GMO ingredients). So while my initial 
>>instinct was to wholeheartedly support mandated GMO labeling, based 
>>on the above reasons, I am tending to think it would not be the 
>>liberty approach (a top-down solution).
>>
>>Respectfully­,
>>Cameron
>>
>>
>>On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Leigh Skinner 
>><<mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]> wrote:
>>Cameron,
>>
>>While Coke and refined white sugar are bad for one, we are told 
>>this in many ways as we are growing up.  GMO's are entirely 
>>different, as they are being presented publicly as just fine.  And 
>>the market approach will take a lot longer.  Walmart has a limited 
>>number or organic, but what about their other choices?  The 
>>commercials against Prop 37 are falsing saying it will drive up 
>>prices.  We already have food labeling, but a few things aren't 
>>included in the requirements.  Just how is it driving up prices to 
>>add two words, GMO corn, or GMO peaches, or whatever, to the list?
>>
>>And one more thing.  As Ron Paul supporters, we believe in states 
>>rights.  Now here is CA voting, not a federal mandate.  Is it 
>>really wrong if the overwhelming majority of Californians vote to 
>>label GMO's?  Isn't such freedom what we've been campaigning for?
>>
>>Leigh
>>It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, 
>>tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the 
>>minds of men. Samuel Adams
>>Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors 
>>to live at the expense of everybody else. Frederic Bastiat
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Cameron Butler <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]>[address­ removed]>
>>To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
>>Sent: Fri, October 5,[masked]:34:52 AM
>>
>>Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows 
>>GMO's & fluoridation
>>
>>Emotionally I tend to agree with all of the arguments for mandatory 
>>labeling.  However, couldn't one use the same arguments to contend 
>>that a health disclosure should be placed on a sack of refined 
>>white sugar, or a can of coca cola?  Those things (certainly at the 
>>level that the clear majority of americans consume them) are a 
>>serious health hazard in my estimation.
>>
>>I wouldn't vehemently oppose GMO labeling, but wouldn't a 
>>liberty-cons­istent approach to this be that consumers choose not to 
>>purchase products that don't certify whether or not they contain 
>>GMO ingredients?  Sure, its more expensive than buying General 
>>Mills, Post, Kellogg, etc., but GMO garbage is cheap!  In many 
>>other first world nations they spend a much higher percentage of 
>>income on food than we do.  Healthy food is a choice.  For 
>>instance, when consumers voted with their pocketbook to get more 
>>organic, gluten free, etc. products, Walmart chose to carry more such items.
>>
>>Do I believe corporations can be influenced by or participate in a 
>>political agenda, even a nefarious agenda?  Yes, I do.  But I also 
>>believe they are primarily influenced by consumer demand.  If we 
>>demand real food through our purchasing decisions we don't need the 
>>nanny state government to protect us from the GMO Frankenfood.
>>
>>Respectfully­,
>>Cameron
>>
>>On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Rob Hanbury 
>><<mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]> wrote:
>>I don't live in east county but today was the first time in like a 
>>year where "chemtrails" really came across as blatant and in your face.
>>
>>To me, asking for mandatory labeling is against libertarian 
>>ideology, you're right Mike, but it's one of the few exceptions 
>>where I'm willing to abondon my philosophy for practical 
>>advancement,­ does it make me a hypocrite as a Ron Paul supporter? 
>>Perhaps. Oh well! It is a serious enough issue where I don't mind 
>>some requirements because the fraud these companies have committed 
>>has not resulted in any kind prosecution or forced them to change. 
>>Since we don't have a free market system, and since the general 
>>population is unaware of the fact the 60% of the things they eat 
>>are unfit for human consumption  I'm all for prop 37.
>>
>>-Rob Hanbury
>>
>>
>>
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>>From: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
>>To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
>>
>>Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows 
>>GMO's & fluoridation
>>Date: Thu, 4 Oct[masked]:57:03 -0400
>>
>>
>>I'm voting YES too on Prop. 37. Had we known the stuff was in the 
>>corn my father wouldn't have eaten Corn Flakes every day for  years 
>>only to have cancer and other health issues. The stuff in the milk 
>>he drank from the cows they gave shots to in order to produce more 
>>milk probably killed him too.
>>
>>Food today is NOT packaged like they did 10+ years ago. Crops are 
>>NOT grown the same with all the chemicals and pesticides. Sure if 
>>you eat it once or twice every month maybe no big deal but the 
>>older generation just eat plain foods and THIS plain, unlabeled 
>>processed food can KILL! I want to know if it is real or created in 
>>a lab. Then its MY choice to buy or not. If the gov't says its 
>>"safe" I believe the opposite!
>>
>>FYI did you notice in the sky Chemtrails today in east county?
>>From: david <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]>[address­ removed]>
>>To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 3,[masked]:34 PM
>>
>>Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows 
>>GMO's & fluoridation
>>
>>GMO foods are an attack on everyone. GMO foods have been proven to 
>>cause tumors, cancers, etc..... and with that being the case, I 
>>would consider the labeling requirement a law a law that is 
>>"defensive in nature". I should at least be warned that I am eating 
>>poison when I crack open a box of Frosted Flakes. Should we not 
>>have the liberty to decide our own health? How is our liberty not 
>>protected then when we can be poisoned and not warned in advance? I 
>>see nothing wrong with transparency and full disclosure. I want the 
>>liberty to decide whether I eat good food or bad food but how can I 
>>tell the difference if the person selling the food is not honest 
>>about what is inside it?
>>
>>Correct me if I am wrong, this new law will require foods 
>>containing GMO's to be labeled. It mandates nothing of the opposite.
>>
>>If the small farmer does not purchase GMO seeds then why would 
>>anyone bother coming up with an idea to mandate a label that says 
>>so. That is not what this proposition is about.
>>
>>I am voting Yes on Prop 37 and below is an example why,
>>
>>It's the same shit, just a different decade
>>
>><http://www.youtub...­
>>
>>http://www.youtub...­
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Mike Benoit 
>><<mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]>
>>To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 3,[masked]:50 AM
>>
>>Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows 
>>GMO's & fluoridation
>>
>>"What, then, is law? It is the collective organization of the 
>>individual right to lawful defense" Laws are bad when they are a 
>>perversion of the definition above. We have a right to defend our 
>>rights with deadly force if need be and that right can be delegated 
>>as a power to government for the common application of this 
>>responsive force. Laws against murder, robbery, and rape are 
>>defensive in nature (they. They are not mandates (forcing people to 
>>do something). Forcing people or companies to label their products 
>>are a perversion, of law. You don't protect rights by violating 
>>rights. You have the right to buy or not buy any product that is 
>>out there. By claiming that people can force other people to do 
>>things against their will is a support for tyranny. What is 
>>tyranny? It is the taking control of something without the right to do so.
>>
>>We can delegate to government only that which we have a right to do 
>>ourselves.
>>
>>Now since some people are ready to take away liberty and property 
>>rights from other people I only hope they realize their own 
>>inconsistenc­y and do not complain when others do it to them.
>>
>>Of course we know that when you give up liberty for security you 
>>end up with neither. Laws like this hurt the little guys and 
>>justify government making it illegal to sell from your own garden. 
>>After all you don't have the label on. Special interest groups get 
>>waivers. Sometimes seed can travel in the wind and land on a farm 
>>where the farmer only planted heirloom seed yet some GMO seed made 
>>its way into his farm. So the products he produces and you eat have 
>>some gmo by accident.
>>
>>Who shall police this new perversion of law? Who will get caught in 
>>the net? Will you be making sure all the restaurants only use non 
>>GMO or do you want the State that you are expanding to do that?
>>
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>At 11:10 AM 10/3/2012, you wrote:
>> > In reference to the "libertarian" point of view... since when 
>> are all laws bad? Why would requiring a company to disclose 
>> ingredients to the consumer not allow for more choice, more 
>> competition and more integrity to commerce? From the "libertarian" 
>> point of view I would think this is a home run.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Leigh Skinner <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]>[address­ removed]>
>> > To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
>>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 3,[masked]:19 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows 
>> GMO's & fluoridation
>> >
>> > Snewbegin:
>> >
>> > There are other mandates that save lives, like laws against 
>> murder and robbery.  No mandates is anarchy.  Is that what you're after?
>> >
>> > But aside from that, people are dying from the FDA's actions, or 
>> rather inaction because of big corporations and congressional 
>> shortcomings.  In the meantime a non-government sponsored 
>> initiative, Prop 37, is on the ballot to try and contend with the 
>> FDA until it hopefully goes away someday.  I don't expect the 
>> government to enforce it, but it will give people like me the 
>> tools to sue if I am ever hurt by a manufacturer's unlisted GMO 
>> ingredients (if they are a significant percentage) and I can prove it.
>> >
>> > You, of course, are free to vote against it.  But someday the 
>> government will hit too close to home for you, and perhaps then 
>> you will understand that a narrow set of mandates does not take 
>> away your liberty.  And I notice that you haven't explained how 
>> labeling takes away your liberty?  Seems to me that it helps to 
>> inform us, and an informed citizenry is what will eventually set 
>> us free.  That is one of the main points of Audit the Fed, because 
>> when everyone learns what they are doing to this country, they 
>> will rebel and End the Fed.  In a similar way, when the population 
>> sees how much GMO's have taken over our food, both packaged and 
>> fresh, they will not be pleased.  Right now I argue with 
>> uninformed people about GMO's because they don't realize how 
>> prevalent they are.
>>
>> >
>> > And as for Libertarian thought, I agree with much of it, but I 
>> believe there can occasionally be exceptions in extraordinary times.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Leigh
>> > It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, 
>> tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the 
>> minds of men. Samuel Adams
>> > Government is the great fiction through which everybody 
>> endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. Frederic Bastiat
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: 
>> "<mailto:[address­ removed]>[address­ removed]" 
>> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]>[address­ removed]>
>> > To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
>> > Cc: Leigh Skinner <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]>[address­ removed]>
>>
>> > Sent: Tue, October 2,[masked]:06:10 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows 
>> GMO's & fluoridation
>> >
>> >
>> > ---- Leigh Skinner 
>> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]> wrote:
>> > Leigh, from a libertarian point of view the FDA should not 
>> exist. Actually, it is the libertarians
>> > educating people on its principles that will make it not a fringe party.
>> > I understand your passion but someone else has a passion somewhere else
>> > that is requiring the government with its legalized violence to 
>> carry out its
>> > mandates. You need to read more Austrian economics and libertarian thought
>> > to see there is another way.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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