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Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows GMO's & fluoridation

From: Mike B.
Sent on: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 9:28 AM
Leigh do you actually believe that smoking went down due to the 
government saving us? It was the labeling that cause people to quit 
smoking or to not start? The anti smoking NAZI's had no power until 
cigarette smoking had become so much less popular on its own by folks 
observing for themselves the negative effects of smoking. It became 
less cool to smoke on it's own. Once less people smoked than people 
who did the majority was able to jump all over the minority and the 
government could claim the credit for saving us.


At 08:43 AM 10/16/2012, you wrote:
>Mike,
>
>I said I suspect that the government won't be diligent in enforcing 
>the law.  Some will not follow it, but I believe more companies will 
>abide by it than now.  The beginning of the end of cigarette smoking 
>started when the labels were put on each pack explaining the dangers 
>of smoking.  People didn't quit at once, but each generation smoked 
>less than the preceding one, until now there are very few smokers 
>anymore, and mostly those over 50.  And the "no smoking" areas are 
>growing wider, those on public property by law and those on private 
>property by the owner's desire.  But during those 50 or 60 years, 
>many smoking related deaths, such as my mother, occurred because 
>doctors smoked and they told their patients that it was safe.
>
>I don't want to prohibit GMO's.  I just support labeling them, 
>especially since mandatory labeling is already the law.  By the way, 
>I re-read Prop 37 this past weekend, and to answer those who 
>criticize it for having exceptions, this is done for a good 
>reason.  It is easier to pass this sort of initiative if the 
>supporters don't try to cover the vast amount of area that GMO's 
>have infiltrated.  This is about packaged foods, so that can of dog 
>food in the opponents commercial is covered by Prop 37 because its 
>processed, packaged food.  The raw steak isn't.  Restaurants aren't 
>covered because it would be a nightmare to try and work it into the 
>initiative.  The authors wanted to keep it simple and include the 
>foods that we all encounter in the grocery stores.  That is enough 
>to affect the future of GMO's.
>
>Someone, either you or someone else, wrote early on in this thread 
>something about this initiative targeting a legal product.  GMO's 
>are not a legal product if our laws were followed.  Like 
>fluoridation, GMO's simply began one day and no one has been able to 
>stop them. Monsanto and the five other main companies that make them 
>have never proved their claims through independent testing.  So 
>outside scientists have done this for them, and the results are very 
>bad.  Prescription drugs with this sort of data are banned, but not GMO's.
>
>Leigh
>It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, 
>tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the 
>minds of men. Samuel Adams
>Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to 
>live at the expense of everybody else. Frederic Bastiat
>
>
>
>From: Mike Benoit <[address removed]>
>To: [address removed]
>Sent: Mon, October 15,[masked]:56:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows 
>GMO's & fluoridation
>
>Leigh, first I deny that FDA has any lawful authority. There is 
>nothing in the Constitution that grants the federal government such 
>authority. The FDA is a political weapon that is helping to destroy 
>free markets.
>
>You act like Monsanto is the only GMO food producer. It seems you 
>are as convinced that Monsanto is a criminal enterprise as the 
>liberal think of any of us that owns a gun to be such. Remember 
>prohibition? It is funny now almost all alcohol products contain 
>GMO. Do you actually think the drug dealers suffer because of the 
>laws against drugs? Do you think you are going to outlaw the killers 
>at Monsanto? Do think this will actually make anyone safer.
>
>You admit it will do you no good if the law passes except give you a 
>chance at court. When a product is not safe and it harms someone you 
>have a better chance to win a court case than if the product was 
>labeled that the product may cause harm.
>
>Monsanto and the like are spending millions because the new law will 
>hurt their business. Maybe they will lose 5 percent market share 
>because the so called healthy food producers will issue a pr 
>campaign telling folks to buy their product as it is non GMO and the 
>GMO guys will have to respond and there will be plenty of compliance 
>cost involved here as well.
>
>Monsanto and the like will not be paying that cost as business pass 
>it on to their customers. So make no mistake about this, it is my 
>freedom you violate with such laws and people like me who don't care 
>about GMO. Maybe GMO will get us, maybe cell phones, maybe 
>microwaves and tv waves or etc etc.
>
>What will you be able to do after 37 passes that will make you 
>safer? The same thing you can do now, watch and check out what you eat.
>Products with labels are not very healthy to start with as a rule.
>
>Mike
>
>
>At 02:30 PM 10/15/2012, you wrote:
> > Bink,
> >
> > Monsanto is using the FDA's lack of lawful oversight to poison 
> the rest of us.  While I don't approve of the FDA, its part of the 
> system that has been set up to monitor the safety of our food.
> >
> > By their own rules nothing like GMO's are supposed to be put out 
> into the marketplace without testing and proving of effectiveness 
> and safety.  The FDA is not living up to their role in monitoring 
> fluoridation, either, which also hasn't gone through testing for 
> safety and effectiveness.  So Monsanto is in effect a crimminal 
> enterprise, and I don't care if their liberty is being stomped on 
> because normally in your concept of the law their leaders would be 
> in prison by now where crimminals relinquish some of the liberty.
> >
> > This isn't the law as you and I understand its role, but as long 
> as our "government" runs things like this and sticks it to its 
> citizens, we need to rebel.  In my own little way, voting for Prop 
> 37 is all I have at hand right now, and time is of the essence, as 
> we are nearing the point of no return with GMO's thoroughly 
> destroying our food supply..  I don't expect the government to 
> enforce it, but it will give people like me some clout when I come 
> into court if necessary to enforce it myself.  Sometimes we have to 
> use the tools the enemy has left to us in order to play their 
> game.  I believe in the long run this initiative will bring a bit 
> of leverage to the issue of GMO's, otherwise Monsanto wouldn't be 
> spending about $50 million trying to defeat it.
> >
> > Meanwhile, if you want to try working through this issue in pure 
> libertarian style, more power to you.
> >
> > Leigh
> > It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, 
> tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the 
> minds of men. Samuel Adams
> > Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors 
> to live at the expense of everybody else. Frederic Bastiat
> >
> >
> >
> > From: BINK <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]>[address­ removed]>
> > To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> > Sent: Mon, October 15,[masked]:26:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows 
> GMO's & fluoridation
> >
> > Leigh, and all,
> > My previous response to you Leigh was, I feel, too much to be 
> dealt with handily, so I will try a different tact.
> > Let me ask a simple single question and follow it up with my 
> answer to the same.
> >
> > What does this statement by Bastiat mean to you?
> >
> > Thus, as an individual cannot legitimately use force against the 
> person, liberty, or property of another individual, for the same 
> reason collective force cannot legitimately be applied to destroy 
> the person, liberty, and property of individuals or classes. (Page 2, The Law)
> >
> > My response:
> >
> > If we can agree that I do not have the right to walk into your 
> personal business (that you own and built at your own expense) as a 
> private citizen and order you to place a label on all your 
> consumable food or drug products (or any type of product) so that I 
> can be assured that they have no ingredients or components that 
> could be harmful to me, can you also agree that you would laugh me 
> out of your presence in amused disgust as a drug induced idiot? Of 
> corse you can.
> >
> > That being the proposed case, how can we the people think that we 
> can give some bureaucrat this same right that we we do not poses in 
> and of ourselves? How can I give a right to someone else to do 
> something that I do not have the right to do myself? How can I give 
> you food if I am without food. Can I give you my car if I do not 
> own a car, can I give them your car? Morally and justly I cannot. 
> Are we still in agreement?
> >
> > Do I have a right to not purchase your products because you will 
> not disclose if the product has this or that and therefore the 
> product is safe for me to eat?  Yes, it is my resources to be used 
> for my purchases. If there was a law that made it mandatory for me 
> to purchase and consume your product would that seem lawful and 
> just to you? Certainly not.
> >
> > The above quoted sentence tells me that I can not delegate to 
> others something that I do not myself poses. It also tells me that 
> others can not legitimately and justly force me to give up my 
> liberty or my property because it is my unalienable right to 
> myself, my liberty and my property.
> >
> > I think that many of us are approaching this proposition 37 from 
> an emotional response rather than a critical thought process. It is 
> understandable that the emotion of this serious question would pull 
> on our knee jerk response string but it is of great importance that 
> we rise above emotionalism and settle finally for morality and principal.
> >
> > Unfortunately, the law is by no means confined to its proper 
> role. It is not only in indifferent and debatable matters that it 
> has exceeded its legitimate function. It has done worse; it has 
> acted in a way contrary to its own end; it has destroyed its own 
> object: it has been employed in abolishing the justice which it was 
> supposed to maintain, in effacing that limit between rights which 
> it was its mission to respect; it has put the collective force at 
> the service of those who desire to exploit, without risk and 
> without scruple, the person, liberty, or property of others; it has 
> converted plunder into a right, in order to protect it, and 
> legitimate defense into a crime, in order to punish it. (Bastiat, Page 2)
> > Respectfully,
> > Bink
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 11, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Leigh Skinner wrote:
> >
> >> Bink,
> >>
> >> Adding a word or two to a label is hardly going to raise the 
> price of food unless food manufacturers do it for spite, and if 
> they do, consumers will buy elsewhere.  You have been listening to 
> those damn commercials funded by the $40 million that Monsanto and 
> others have poured into the opposition effort to discredit it.
> >>
> >> I am interested in informed consent.  If we are to put up with 
> mandatory labeling, I want a chance of it being as accurate as 
> possible.  And at the very least, it wil be my protest of 
> Monsanto's poisoning our food, including home gardens when the wind 
> blows GMO's into it.  I would thinki Ron Paulers would appreciate 
> voting for something as a protest, as you all write about it all the time.
> >>
> >> And again, I notice that no one has explained how this 
> initiative takes away your liberty.
> >>
> >>
> >> Leigh
> >> It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, 
> tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the 
> minds of men. Samuel Adams
> >> Government is the great fiction through which everybody 
> endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. Frederic Bastiat
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: BINK 
> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]>
> >> To: 
> <mailto:[address removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >> Sent: Wed, October 10,[masked]:30:20 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but allows 
> GMO's & fluoridation
> >>
> >> I began this thread to explain the fine line between absolute 
> liberty to do any damn thing one wants to do and liberty with responsibility.
> >>
> >>  --- Liberty is liberty to do any damn thing you want as long as 
> it dose not infringe on someone else's liberty to do any damn thing 
> they want as long as it does not infringe.....---
> >>
> >> The former means each person acts like their wants and desires 
> are more important than the othoer person's, and the latter means 
> we try to find a neutral position between the conflicting desires.
> >>
> >>  --- moral compromise? This should be a personal act not a 
> governments act. ---
> >>
> >> For instance, while I don't have the right to stop someone from 
> smoking, a smoker doesn't have the right to foul the air near me, 
> either.  When we're both outside, its everyone for himself.  So the 
> no-smoking laws came in to relieve those in restaurants and bars 
> from having to breath in smoke in order to patronize the 
> establishment.  So the smoker was relegated to the sidewalk outside 
> and the non-smoker could enjoy the inside.  That is the free will 
> result of ones decision to begin smoking in the first place.  They 
> don't have extra rights to foul the air around them with impunity.
> >>
> >> Prop 37 doesn't even involve all the layers of the smoking 
> issue.  It doesn't deny anyone the right to consume GMO laden food, 
> even in the same room with me.  It simply informs the consumer.  At 
> the point of a gun. Personally I don't expect the government will 
> enforce this initiative, and in fact I suspect they'll do whatever 
> they can think of to interfere with it.  Pipe dream, what in the 
> hell are you smoking. Having real, healthy, and unadulterated food 
> has been the law for generations until the government starting 
> adding their own spin into the mix with "regulations" that allowed 
> poison into our food and water.
> >>  ---What law is that?---
> >> Would I rather we had voluntary labeling...yes I would.
> >>  ---We do, Buy food labeled "non GMO, verified by 
> <<http://nongmoproj...­" 
> <<http://efoodsdire...­ 
>   and many others because this is how free markets work. Someone 
> saw a niche in the market place and filled it. They employ 
> Americans with non government jobs while offering a very important 
> need. By all means inform and educate your family and neighbors 
> about Monsanto's plans of stealing the food and agricultural market 
> by way of genetically manipulating the food chain. Write the food 
> makers to stop using GMO because you will no longer buy there 
> products until they do. I know, it's a painfully slow way to get 
> anything done especially when all you have to do is climb in bed 
> with the slave master, but it is the moral and right way.---
> >>
> >> But still truth in labeling would be needed for those who chose 
> to label.  And buyer beware for those who didn't.
> >>
> >> This initiative  doesn't restrict a minority or take away any 
> ones rights as someone suggested earlier on in this thread.  Quite 
> the opposite, it protects our right to know what's in our food in 
> an age when the government is allowing more and more adulterated 
> garbage in it.  The only people that will be affected with adding 3 
> or 4 words to some labels will be those selling GMO laden food.
> >>
> >> ---Where is that written in the proposition? Do you understand 
> the concept of critical thinking? This statement is clearly 
> nonsense. You counter dict yourself at each new sentence. It is at 
> everyone's expense including the consumers. All or most producers 
> of food will have to abide by this law at a certain expense. Some 
> government agency will demand producers use their accreditation. 
> All this expense will be passed down to the consumer. So in effect 
> those enlightened producers who already inform the consumer will be 
> punished for being the very producers we would all like to see in 
> the market place. Those businesses who already offer accreditation 
> via free market enterprise will be marginalized or destroyed.
> >> Leigh, you are standing in a forest unable to see any trees. Are 
> you really this stubborn and ignorant as to what freedom is There 
> must be a reason behind your consistent misrepresentation of 
> liberty, what is it?---
> >>
> >> Leigh
> >> It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, 
> tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the 
> minds of men. Samuel Adams
> >> Government is the great fiction through which everybody 
> endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. Frederic Bastiat
> >>
> >> ---How you ever chose this quote to promote your tyranny is 
> beyond my understanding. You really should actually read his book 
> "The Law" before you have the audacity to quote it. This book is 
> expressly contrary to everything you are trying to poison the minds 
> of men with here, yours is not freedom but plunder and tyranny.
> >> What is so hard to understand about "free markets", most of us 
> are Ron Paul supporters, did we not understand what he meant by 
> free markets? Do we still not understand that free markets work and 
> more laws don't and won't? "Injure no one."
> >> Monsanto is certainly a corporate monster that would fill its 
> pockets at the expense of the masses, even to death, but how can 
> you constitutionally and morally go along with more government 
> control of the private sector? You freely admit that the government 
> will screw it up, so why argue on there side? We whine about 
> government infiltrating every aspect of our lives at the expense of 
> our liberty and then spend 3 days discussing the benefit of voting 
> for more laws against liberty, truth be known, it is our own 
> responsibility to deal with this atrocity in a moral and right way, 
> not the governments. We are so conditioned to run towards the task 
> master that we have trouble keeping a hold of liberty principals, 
> liberty and responsibility is much harder to accomplish than the 
> ease of tyranny, "have someone else do it".
> >>
> >>
> >> Respectfully:
> >> Bink
> >>
> >> PS
> >> Here is a good quote from The Law you might be interested in:
> >>
> >> The law is the organization of the natural right of lawful 
> defense. It is the substitution of a common force for individual 
> forces. And this common force is to do only what the individual 
> forces have a natural and lawful right to do: to protect persons, 
> liberties, and properties; to maintain the right of each, and to 
> cause justice to reign over us all.
> >>
> >> Bastiat
> >>
> >> Bink
> >>
> >> On Oct 9, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Leigh Skinner 
> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I began this thread to explain the fine line between absolute 
> liberty to do any damn thing one wants to do and liberty with 
> responsibility.  The former means each person acts like their wants 
> and desires are more important than the other person's, and the 
> latter means we try to find a neutral position between the 
> conflicting desires.  For instance, while I don't have the right to 
> stop someone from smoking, a smoker doesn't have the right to foul 
> the air near me, either.  When we're both outside, its everyone for 
> himself.  So the no-smoking laws came in to relieve those in 
> restaurants and bars from having to breath in smoke in order to 
> patronize the establishment.  So the smoker was relegated to the 
> sidewalk outside and the non-smoker could enjoy the inside.  That 
> is the free will result of ones decision to begin smoking in the 
> first place.  They don't have extra rights to foul the air around 
> them with impunity.
> >>>
> >>> Prop 37 doesn't even involve all the layers of the smoking 
> issue.  It doesn't deny anyone the right to consume GMO laden food, 
> even in the same room with me.  It simply informs the 
> consumer.  Personally I don't expect the government will enforce 
> this initiative, and in fact I suspect they'll do whatever they can 
> think of to interfere with it.  Having real, healthy, and 
> unadulterated food has been the law for generations until the 
> government starting adding their own spin into the mix with 
> "regulations" that allowed poison into our food and water.  Would I 
> rather we had voluntary labeling...yes I would.  But still truth in 
> labeling would be needed for those who chose to label.  And buyer 
> beware for those who didn't.
> >>>
> >>> This initiative  doesn't restrict a minority or take away any 
> ones rights as someone suggested earlier on in this thread.  Quite 
> the opposite, it protects our right to know what's in our food in 
> an age when the government is allowing more and more adulterated 
> garbage in it.  The only people that will be affected with adding 3 
> or 4 words to some labels will be those selling GMO laden food.
> >>>
> >>> Leigh
> >>> It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, 
> tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the 
> minds of men. Samuel Adams
> >>> Government is the great fiction through which everybody 
> endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. Frederic Bastiat
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Jon 
> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]>
> >>> To: 
> <mailto:[address removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >>> Sent: Tue, October 9,[masked]:21:46 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but 
> allows GMO's & fluoridation
> >>>
> >>> Hi Ryan,
> >>>
> >>> You asked some tough questions.  I'll try to respond to them 
> without going off on a tangent.
> >>>
> >>> The United States doesn't have a free market economy.  Anti 
> smoking laws, as you pointed out, make that evident.  But if you 
> were a bar owner, I would advise you to be careful what you wish 
> for.  From a business perspective, wishing for a free market 
> economy would be foolish for any successful bar owner.  If it were 
> not for regulations, then most bars would go out of business.  The 
> only reason why bars can charge so much is because consumers have 
> such limited options when consuming alcohol outside of their 
> homes.  I agree with you, all restaurant owners should have the 
> freedom to choose if they want to allow their customers to smoke on 
> their property.  But in addition, I believe that all restaurant 
> owners should have the freedom to choose if they want to allow 
> their customers to drink alcoholic beverages on their property.
> >>>
> >>> Without regulations, I would be able to go to Subway and enjoy 
> a sandwich with a beer for the same price of what I would currently 
> pay in gratuity at your bar.
> >>>
> >>> If I had the liberty to be able take my dog for a walk while 
> drinking a beer from a store,  then occasionally I would lose all 
> desire to walk into your bar when I would otherwise be happy to 
> give you my business.
> >>>
> >>> A homeless man could build the capital to buy an ice box, a bag 
> of ice, and a 24 pack of beer after just a couple days of 
> collecting cans.  That's all the ingredients necessary to give you 
> some unwanted competition.  I would't mind having the freedom to 
> support a homeless man by purchasing a cold bottle of beer from him 
> just outside of your business for $1.75.  I'd leave a good tip if 
> he served it to me on a hot day at the beach.  I'd bet that you as 
> a bar owner wouldn't support that aspect of a free market even if 
> you were to gain the freedom to allow your customers to smoke.
> >>>
> >>> The point I'm trying to get to is: you're no exception to the 
> rule.  You appreciate "the hand of the government" whenever it 
> benefits you just like everybody else.
> >>>
> >>> -Juan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 1:53 PM, Ryan 
> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> So if I own a business, a bar or restaurant let's say, I 
> shouldn't be able to determine if my place can be a smoking area or 
> not a smoking area? Doesn't the consumer have a right to not eat or 
> drink at my establishment? Another big government move, something 
> I'm surprised you'd support.
> >>>>
> >>>> The distinction is, are you willing to let businesses cater to 
> what consumer and market wants, as smoking inside would not sit 
> well for many, so many restaurants wouldn't. Or, because it bothers 
> you/allergic ( I'm the same ) do you use the hand of government to 
> do your bidding? Where does it end? Fatty foods, sugary drinks, 
> alcohol? Who gets to decide where the red line is?
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Leigh Skinner 
> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]> wrote:
> >>>> Cameron,
> >>>>
> >>>> Prop 37 isn't about banning GMO's.  It is about informed 
> consent in the maketplace.  Why is that anti-liberty?  Food 
> manufacturers are welcome to put them in their product, just as I 
> am free not to buy them.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am allergic to cigarette smoke, but surprisingly enough, I 
> am not for banning them outright.  I am glad resturants don't have 
> smoking because "no smoking" sections didn't work as the smoke 
> traveled all over the room.  Your freedom to swing your arm ends 
> where my nose begins.  Sugary sodas list the sugar.  I buy virgil's 
> zero root beer and zero cola which are sweetened with 
> stevia.  Splenda, technical name sucralos, is quite dangerous three 
> parts chlorine, one part sugar) but again, it is listed on the 
> labels of products containing it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Leigh
> >>>> It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, 
> tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the 
> minds of men. Samuel Adams
> >>>> Government is the great fiction through which everybody 
> endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. Frederic Bastiat
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Cameron Butler 
> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]>
> >>>> To: 
> <mailto:[address removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >>>> Sent: Mon, October 8,[masked]:47:46 AM
> >>>>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but 
> allows GMO's & fluoridation
> >>>>
> >>>> David,
> >>>>
> >>>> I would assume you are also in favor of the continued 
> prohibition of drugs (a policy which is a "proven" failure) based 
> on their deadly nature.  You might also be in favor of a ban on 
> cigarettes.  Certainly though, you would support an outright ban on 
> artificial sweeteners saccharine, aspartame, and splenda based on 
> your "soft kill" criteria, but I would suspect perhaps sugary sodas 
> could be included in that ban based on their contribution to 
> obesity and diabetes and hastened mortality ("murder") from same.
> >>>>
> >>>> In fact, I think you are missing the point.  We are not 
> missing anything about how bad gmo food is.  Regardless of how 
> dangerous it is, is it government's role to prevent people from 
> eating it?  That is the question ultimately being posed.
> >>>>
> >>>> I know the argument is that when it comes to shooting up 
> heroin, people know it is bad and dangerous but they do it anyway 
> for a variety of reasons... and yet they don't know that the food 
> contains gmo that can kill... I see this, to a point.  However, 
> don't you think that people who are buying multiple 12-packs of 
> sodas with HFCS and/or deadly artificial sweeteners know that the 
> consumption of all of that crap is going to contribute to their 
> early demise?  They do it anyway.
> >>>>
> >>>> Let's look at this another way.  Is it really the warning 
> label on cigarettes that stops ANYONE from smoking?  Or is it a 
> changed cultural understanding.  The labeling came as a result of 
> the dialogue.  So will labeling without widespread awareness really 
> do anything?  Its not going to have skull and crossbones alongside 
> "GMO", is it?
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's another key -- ultimately, you will be trusting the 
> GOVERNMENT to make sure major manufacturers are identifying GMO in 
> their products.  Just like the FDA keeps an eye on pharmaceutical 
> giants to make sure we are getting safe drugs.  And since we cannot 
> trust the government, those of us who are already aware of the 
> dangers of GMO will be relying on independent organizations to 
> alternately certify or cross-test these products.  So why not just 
> rely on those more trustworthy entities to begin with???
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 11:38 AM, david 
> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]> 
> wrote:
> >>>> The point that everyone seems to be missing is that gmo foods 
> kill. Plain and simple. They are being sold as gras and equal to 
> natural foods when science has proven otherwise. Deadly "food" is 
> being purposely placed into the food supply. I would even support a 
> government ban on gmo foods, proven to be deadly, from ever being 
> sold in the first place. I guess I have to settle for labels.
> >>>>
> >>>> The term soft kill applies since the effects take time to 
> materialize but by the time they do, it's too late. I challenge 
> anyone to deny that this is a form of murder.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you oppose Murder? Murder is murder whether it is instant 
> or pro-longed, correct?
> >>>>
> >>>> There is nothing that can be said to dispute this.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Cameron Butler 
> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]>
> >>>> To: 
> <mailto:[address removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 6,[masked]:54 PM
> >>>>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but 
> allows GMO's & fluoridation
> >>>>
> >>>> Its very difficult to certify corn and soybeans as organic, 
> and I do not trust USDA organic certification at all, but there are 
> multiple independent certifications for organic and non-GMO that I 
> do trust.  But I do not see how having mandated labeling solves the 
> issue you are describing.  So General Mills has to put on their box 
> of Corn Chex that it is made with GMO corn - that in and of itself 
> is good, but doesn't solve the issue you are describing.  I have 
> watched and read lots of material on the dangers/issues of GMO, but 
> I will watch the G. Edward Griffith clip.
> >>>>
> >>>> In regards to your response to Ryan, I definitely do not see 
> how this is akin to religious liberty/1st amendment rights.  It 
> seems requiring additional labeling requirements by 
> manufacturers/retail­ers would be more analogous to requiring 
> churches to have government mandated disclosures about what kind of 
> teaching or sect or denomination they represent ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>> In Liberty,
> >>>> Cameron
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Leigh Skinner 
> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]> wrote:
> >>>> Cameron,
> >>>>
> >>>> I understand where those who disagree with me on this are 
> coming from.  My point is that there is no such thing as 
> "certified" organic anymore unless the crop is grown in a 
> hothouse.  That takes choice out of the picture.  I just sent out 
> some links from G. Edward Griffith's "Realty Zone" on GMO's. 
> Scientists and leaders in organic farming speak out about GMO's and 
> whether to label them.  I suggest you watch and read them and then 
> get back to me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Leigh
> >>>> It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, 
> tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the 
> minds of men. Samuel Adams
> >>>> Government is the great fiction through which everybody 
> endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. Frederic Bastiat
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Cameron Butler 
> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]>
> >>>> To: 
> <mailto:[address removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >>>> Sent: Sat, October 6,[masked]:39:46 AM
> >>>>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but 
> allows GMO's & fluoridation
> >>>>
> >>>> Leigh,
> >>>>
> >>>> You and I have seen eye to eye on quite a number of issues and 
> I'm completely with you as far as being anti-GMO.  I'm all about 
> organic gardening, self-sufficiency, etc. etc.  But if it were true 
> that "we are told this in many ways as we are growing up", and that 
> were sufficient, then might it be true that there wouldn't be a 
> pandemic of overconsumption of refined white sugar and HFCS 
> beverages, not to mention the rampant consumption of dangerous 
> artificial sweeteners.
> >>>> However, I think you missed my point - my point is where do 
> you draw the line at using government to force manufacturers to do 
> things?  Out of self-preservation I understand the desire to use a 
> ballot initiative to stem the tide of GMO poison, I truly do.  But, 
> my Coca Cola and white sugar example was to point out that labeling 
> requirements due to dangers of food and substances can be taken to 
> all kinds of extremes.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Walmart has a limited number of organic, but what about their 
> other choices" -- yes, most of the food they sell is laden with GMO 
> grains and sweeteners, and can be considered dangerous food.
> >>>> The question here is: is it up to government (or the people to 
> use government) to protect people from being uninformed, or is it 
> up to people to become informed about what they eat and purchase 
> food only from those manufacturers who fully disclose and certify 
> what they are offering consumers?  What if there were no government 
> mandated requirement to list ingredients at all?  How different 
> would things really be?  The majority would march off happily to 
> consume whatever is advertised and cheap, and the informed would 
> only purchase products from manufacturers that label and certify 
> their ingredients.
> >>>> Even if you get mandatory GMO labeling, there will still be 
> plenty of dangerous foods and additives where people need to inform 
> themselves in order to avoid them.  Things like mandatory labeling 
> and the FDA as a whole provide consumers with a false sense of 
> security.  The misconception is that consumers do not have an 
> informed choice and mandated labeling enhances liberty because it 
> gives consumers choice.  I do not think this is so.  Consumers have 
> a choice now - they can purchase products from manufacturers 
> willing to certify their foods as GMO-free, or they can purchase 
> products from manufacturers who will not (with the reasonable 
> assumption that they contain GMO ingredients). So while my initial 
> instinct was to wholeheartedly support mandated GMO labeling, based 
> on the above reasons, I am tending to think it would not be the 
> liberty approach (a top-down solution).
> >>>>
> >>>> Respectfully,
> >>>> Cameron
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Leigh Skinner 
> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]> wrote:
> >>>> Cameron,
> >>>>
> >>>> While Coke and refined white sugar are bad for one, we are 
> told this in many ways as we are growing up.  GMO's are entirely 
> different, as they are being presented publicly as just fine.  And 
> the market approach will take a lot longer.  Walmart has a limited 
> number or organic, but what about their other choices?  The 
> commercials against Prop 37 are falsing saying it will drive up 
> prices.  We already have food labeling, but a few things aren't 
> included in the requirements.  Just how is it driving up prices to 
> add two words, GMO corn, or GMO peaches, or whatever, to the list?
> >>>>
> >>>> And one more thing.  As Ron Paul supporters, we believe in 
> states rights.  Now here is CA voting, not a federal mandate.  Is 
> it really wrong if the overwhelming majority of Californians vote 
> to label GMO's?  Isn't such freedom what we've been campaigning for?
> >>>>
> >>>> Leigh
> >>>> It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, 
> tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the 
> minds of men. Samuel Adams
> >>>> Government is the great fiction through which everybody 
> endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. Frederic Bastiat
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Cameron Butler 
> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]>
> >>>> To: 
> <mailto:[address removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >>>> Sent: Fri, October 5,[masked]:34:52 AM
> >>>>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but 
> allows GMO's & fluoridation
> >>>>
> >>>> Emotionally I tend to agree with all of the arguments for 
> mandatory labeling.  However, couldn't one use the same arguments 
> to contend that a health disclosure should be placed on a sack of 
> refined white sugar, or a can of coca cola?  Those things 
> (certainly at the level that the clear majority of americans 
> consume them) are a serious health hazard in my estimation.
> >>>>
> >>>> I wouldn't vehemently oppose GMO labeling, but wouldn't a 
> liberty-consistent approach to this be that consumers choose not to 
> purchase products that don't certify whether or not they contain 
> GMO ingredients?  Sure, its more expensive than buying General 
> Mills, Post, Kellogg, etc., but GMO garbage is cheap!  In many 
> other first world nations they spend a much higher percentage of 
> income on food than we do.  Healthy food is a choice.  For 
> instance, when consumers voted with their pocketbook to get more 
> organic, gluten free, etc. products, Walmart chose to carry more such items.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do I believe corporations can be influenced by or participate 
> in a political agenda, even a nefarious agenda?  Yes, I do.  But I 
> also believe they are primarily influenced by consumer demand.  If 
> we demand real food through our purchasing decisions we don't need 
> the nanny state government to protect us from the GMO Frankenfood.
> >>>>
> >>>> Respectfully,
> >>>> Cameron
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Rob Hanbury 
> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]> 
> wrote:
> >>>> I don't live in east county but today was the first time in 
> like a year where "chemtrails" really came across as blatant and in your face.
> >>>>
> >>>> To me, asking for mandatory labeling is against libertarian 
> ideology, you're right Mike, but it's one of the few exceptions 
> where I'm willing to abondon my philosophy for practical 
> advancement, does it make me a hypocrite as a Ron Paul supporter? 
> Perhaps. Oh well! It is a serious enough issue where I don't mind 
> some requirements because the fraud these companies have committed 
> has not resulted in any kind prosecution or forced them to change. 
> Since we don't have a free market system, and since the general 
> population is unaware of the fact the 60% of the things they eat 
> are unfit for human consumption  I'm all for prop 37.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Rob Hanbury
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----------
> >>>> From: 
> <mailto:[address removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >>>> To: 
> <mailto:[address removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >>>>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but 
> allows GMO's & fluoridation
> >>>> Date: Thu, 4 Oct[masked]:57:03 -0400
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm voting YES too on Prop. 37. Had we known the stuff was in 
> the corn my father wouldn't have eaten Corn Flakes every day 
> for  years only to have cancer and other health issues. The stuff 
> in the milk he drank from the cows they gave shots to in order to 
> produce more milk probably killed him too.
> >>>>
> >>>> Food today is NOT packaged like they did 10+ years ago. Crops 
> are NOT grown the same with all the chemicals and pesticides. Sure 
> if you eat it once or twice every month maybe no big deal but the 
> older generation just eat plain foods and THIS plain, unlabeled 
> processed food can KILL! I want to know if it is real or created in 
> a lab. Then its MY choice to buy or not. If the gov't says its 
> "safe" I believe the opposite!
> >>>>
> >>>> FYI did you notice in the sky Chemtrails today in east county?
> >>>> From: david 
> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]>
> >>>> To: 
> <mailto:[address removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 3,[masked]:34 PM
> >>>>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but 
> allows GMO's & fluoridation
> >>>>
> >>>> GMO foods are an attack on everyone. GMO foods have been 
> proven to cause tumors, cancers, etc..... and with that being the 
> case, I would consider the labeling requirement a law a law that is 
> "defensive in nature". I should at least be warned that I am eating 
> poison when I crack open a box of Frosted Flakes. Should we not 
> have the liberty to decide our own health? How is our liberty not 
> protected then when we can be poisoned and not warned in advance? I 
> see nothing wrong with transparency and full disclosure. I want the 
> liberty to decide whether I eat good food or bad food but how can I 
> tell the difference if the person selling the food is not honest 
> about what is inside it?
> >>>>
> >>>> Correct me if I am wrong, this new law will require foods 
> containing GMO's to be labeled. It mandates nothing of the opposite.
> >>>>
> >>>> If the small farmer does not purchase GMO seeds then why would 
> anyone bother coming up with an idea to mandate a label that says 
> so. That is not what this proposition is about.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am voting Yes on Prop 37 and below is an example why,
> >>>>
> >>>> It's the same shit, just a different decade
> >>>>
> >>>> 
> <<http://www.youtub...­
> >>>>
> >>>> 
> <http://www.youtub...­
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Mike Benoit 
> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]>
> >>>> To: 
> <mailto:[address removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 3,[masked]:50 AM
> >>>>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but 
> allows GMO's & fluoridation
> >>>>
> >>>> "What, then, is law? It is the collective organization of the 
> individual right to lawful defense" Laws are bad when they are a 
> perversion of the definition above. We have a right to defend our 
> rights with deadly force if need be and that right can be delegated 
> as a power to government for the common application of this 
> responsive force. Laws against murder, robbery, and rape are 
> defensive in nature (they. They are not mandates (forcing people to 
> do something). Forcing people or companies to label their products 
> are a perversion, of law. You don't protect rights by violating 
> rights. You have the right to buy or not buy any product that is 
> out there. By claiming that people can force other people to do 
> things against their will is a support for tyranny. What is 
> tyranny? It is the taking control of something without the right to do so.
> >>>>
> >>>> We can delegate to government only that which we have a right 
> to do ourselves.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now since some people are ready to take away liberty and 
> property rights from other people I only hope they realize their 
> own inconsistency and do not complain when others do it to them.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course we know that when you give up liberty for security 
> you end up with neither. Laws like this hurt the little guys and 
> justify government making it illegal to sell from your own garden. 
> After all you don't have the label on. Special interest groups get 
> waivers. Sometimes seed can travel in the wind and land on a farm 
> where the farmer only planted heirloom seed yet some GMO seed made 
> its way into his farm. So the products he produces and you eat have 
> some gmo by accident.
> >>>>
> >>>> Who shall police this new perversion of law? Who will get 
> caught in the net? Will you be making sure all the restaurants only 
> use non GMO or do you want the State that you are expanding to do that?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> At 11:10 AM 10/3/2012, you wrote:
> >>>> > In reference to the "libertarian" point of view... since 
> when are all laws bad? Why would requiring a company to disclose 
> ingredients to the consumer not allow for more choice, more 
> competition and more integrity to commerce? From the "libertarian" 
> point of view I would think this is a home run.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > From: Leigh Skinner 
> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]>
> >>>> > To: 
> <mailto:[address removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >>>>
> >>>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 3,[masked]:19 AM
> >>>> > Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but 
> allows GMO's & fluoridation
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Snewbegin:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > There are other mandates that save lives, like laws against 
> murder and robbery.  No mandates is anarchy.  Is that what you're after?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > But aside from that, people are dying from the FDA's 
> actions, or rather inaction because of big corporations and 
> congressional shortcomings.  In the meantime a non-government 
> sponsored initiative, Prop 37, is on the ballot to try and contend 
> with the FDA until it hopefully goes away someday.  I don't expect 
> the government to enforce it, but it will give people like me the 
> tools to sue if I am ever hurt by a manufacturer's unlisted GMO 
> ingredients (if they are a significant percentage) and I can prove it.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > You, of course, are free to vote against it.  But someday 
> the government will hit too close to home for you, and perhaps then 
> you will understand that a narrow set of mandates does not take 
> away your liberty.  And I notice that you haven't explained how 
> labeling takes away your liberty?  Seems to me that it helps to 
> inform us, and an informed citizenry is what will eventually set us 
> free.  That is one of the main points of Audit the Fed, because 
> when everyone learns what they are doing to this country, they will 
> rebel and End the Fed.  In a similar way, when the population sees 
> how much GMO's have taken over our food, both packaged and fresh, 
> they will not be pleased.  Right now I argue with uninformed people 
> about GMO's because they don't realize how prevalent they are.
> >>>>
> >>>> >
> >>>> > And as for Libertarian thought, I agree with much of it, but 
> I believe there can occasionally be exceptions in extraordinary times.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Leigh
> >>>> > It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, 
> tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the 
> minds of men. Samuel Adams
> >>>> > Government is the great fiction through which everybody 
> endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. Frederic Bastiat
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
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> >>>> > Sent: Tue, October 2,[masked]:06:10 PM
> >>>> > Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] FDA bans natural vitamin B6 but 
> allows GMO's & fluoridation
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > ---- Leigh Skinner 
> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]> wrote:
> >>>> > Leigh, from a libertarian point of view the FDA should not 
> exist. Actually, it is the libertarians
> >>>> > educating people on its principles that will make it not a 
> fringe party.
> >>>> > I understand your passion but someone else has a passion 
> somewhere else
> >>>> > that is requiring the government with its legalized violence 
> to carry out its
> >>>> > mandates. You need to read more Austrian economics and 
> libertarian thought
> >>>> > to see there is another way.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
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