Re: [ronpaul-93] Understanding the Correct Principles is the Foundation of Liberty

From: Monica G.
Sent on: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:47 PM
Leigh, I disagree. I think you are being too kind.  I have witnessed many Christians (not all, of course) that are EXTREMELY judgmental and hateful.  While you might be right in saying they are not real Christians, they say and vow that they are...which gives those of us that are, a bad name. Bad apples are found everywhere.  But I also disagree that those that lack God in their lives lack morals.
 
My reply to when someone says that is…”Who’s moral ruler are we using?”
 
Because, for example, to Muslims, I am a huge sinner for showing my hair and my legs. Yet to swingers and the polyamorous crowd…I am a huge prude.
 
Some people believe in self-discipline and are very good people even though they claim they have no God in their lives.  Yet some Atheist call me crazy for “believing in an invisible man in the sky”.

 I think what is lacking in most groups is respect.  Respect for everyone to believe what they want.  What I think has people in the US (and in other parts of the word) up to here (points at her forehead) is for people, regardless of what they want to call themselves, to keep judging each other. It's a cliche...but for a reason...when they say "when you point at a person, 3 other fingers are pointing to you. 

There is a famous quote from a Mexican ex-President which says….”
Entre los Individuos, como entre Las Naciones, El respeto al derecho ajeno es la paz.
Translation- “Among individuals, as among nations, respect for the rights of others is peace.
If most of us started concentrating on fixing OUR lives instead of other people’s lives and seeing our “faults” instead of the faults of others….we would be more at peace and gov reps wouldn’t as easily be able to take advantage of us.  As long as we keep being busy bodies and telling others what to do or think, we will not find peace…not in our gov, not in our country nor around the world.  

I admit…it is one of the hardest things to do.

The way I see it, I don’t care if others “Sin”. It’s not my problem.  It’s theirs. Of course, as long as that sin doesn’t hurt others.  They will take it up with God one day.  My job is to keep MYSELF from sinning…whether I have to answer to Karma or God or Aliens. 

Now, if we want others to follow the same “morality” as I do…then the best (and truly only) thing I can (and should) do is to lead by example.
 
Once we understand that…our need for “leadership” diminishes and we will have less thieves and less control freaks to answer to.

This is the reason why I don't believe that God should play a huge part in government.  Not that I don't want God in our lives...but because I think it does more harm than good when we try to shove him down other people's throat through gov force.

Make us no different than the "Green Police" who want to change our thermostats.

Monica



-----Original Message-----
From: Leigh Skinner <[address removed]>
To: ronpaul-93 <[address removed]>
Sent: Tue, Nov 13,[masked]:18 pm
Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Understanding the Correct Principles is the Foundation of Liberty

Boyd,
 
I probably wouldn't vote for an atheist because it shows a lack of delving into the root of ourselves.  Now I might vote for an Agnostic who isn't sure, or a Deist or a Jew.  If there are immoral Christians, then maybe they're not really Christians because if one accepts Christ, its supposed to make one better.    That doesn't mean they are 100% moral, but they are always striving to be better and they have great compassion for those who are falling far shorter.  You see, there are a lot of folks walking around calling themselves Christians who really aren't.  So give me a specific example of someone you say is a Christian moralist.
 
Leigh
It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men. Samuel Adams
Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. Frederic Bastiat



From: Boyd Conklin <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Tue, November 13,[masked]:51:39 AM
Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Understanding the Correct Principles is the Foundation of Liberty

Dear Reinhard, The best person for the job is the one who should get it. Would you elect an atheist for office? Do you think Evangelical/Christians have the corner on morality? All the best, Boyd

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Reinhard Srajer <[address removed]> wrote:
"Democracy-The God That Failed" - a more effective (in terms of liberty) time-investment, IMO.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Keith Broaders <[address removed]> wrote:
The Five Thousand Year Leap
The reason that this course of study is so important is that it outlines the 28 principles upon which our nation was founded.The things that we believe govern our actions and ultimately determine our destiny. The reason our country is on the verge of destruction is due to the fact that the people have lost their moral compass. In order to restore our Constitutional Republic we must rediscover the principles that were embraced by our Founding Fathers.The 5,000 Year Leap contains the recipe for peace, prosperity and freedom.
Go to http://ConstitutionClub.ning.com for more information




The following 14 video presentations are an introduction to the "5,000 Year Leap".
There are a total of 28 principles that are the foundation of sound government.



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